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Old 24th Apr 2017, 08:30   #121
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See it as a rejection of the current Conservatives rather than an endorsement of Jeremy Corbyn.

Theresa May has no vision. There is nothing she says that people can get excited about or gives them hope. Corbyn may be all over the place but at least he talks about the things people worry about.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 08:38   #122
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Corbyn may be all over the place but at least he talks about the things people worry about.
All over the place? Try plain dangerous.

I don't have any fundamental issues with what he has said about zero hour contracts and all that, what I have an issue with is the fact I am yet to see ANY evidence anyone has remotely thought about how anything he has said he wants is going to be paid. All that would happen is that he'd pay for it all by borrowing, we'd end up with a god-awful credit ration, interest rates through the roof, people who can't pay their mortgages, and then he'd plead innocence.

I'm sorry, but I trust the current shadow cabinet on finances about as far as I can throw Diane ****ing Abbott.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 08:46   #123
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How fiscally responsible has the current government been? Still waiting on the projections on the cost of Brexit.

This country has a huge current account deficit and private debt levels. It is outright frightening. Within that context it is about to pull out from the most profitable, richest trading bloc in the world for the vague promise of trade deals with the rest of the world, negotiated from a much weaker position.

Meanwhile a government that should focus on some serious educational investment in high-tech engineering and manufacturing skills is obsessing over grammar schools. It goes on about energy prices but signed up to Hinckley Point. It should be upgrading public transport but invests in HS2. It should be investing in child mental health but is cutting those services the most. There is absolutely no big picture thinking or long-term strategy in their policies.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 08:53   #124
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I can understand people wanting to vote Labour, but people wanting to vote for Corbyn should get you an express lift to the funny farm.
Well given Theresa May's track record personally I'd say a monkey in a suit could probably do a better job, from the illegal Data Retention Investigatory Powers Act, to promising to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands, when right leaning newspapers slate her by saying this...
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After all, Mrs May’s tenure as Home Secretary has been little better than disastrous – a succession of derelictions that has left Britain’s borders and coastline at least as insecure as they were in 2010, and which mean that British governments still rely on guesswork to estimate how many people enter and leave the country.
That they were later supposedly pressured to withdraw it sort of make me wonder if, like Trump and Brexit, it maybe worth giving something more radical a go.

Then i came to my senses and realised this isn't in the serious section so i had best included a reference to kittens.

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Old 24th Apr 2017, 10:56   #125
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I'd rather vote for my neighbours dog than Corbyn. The dog's only ~10 months old, but it's much more personable, and probably has much more rational thoughts.

Not that May is any better, Smeagol looking douche-cannoe that she is.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 11:04   #126
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At least you lot have a choice down there, up here it is pretty much the spawn of the Krankies loins party or nothing.
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I honestly find it almost unfathomable that anyone could seriously vote for Corbyn.

Corbyn is an activist and idealist not capable of delivering the best for business and the population, nor compromise.
A vote for Labour under Corbyn is a vote to return the UK back to the unproductive 70's, look forward to plenty time off work though (through unpaid strikes, not the extra holidays he's trying to bribe you with).
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Lots of people found it unfathomable that anyone could seriously vote for Trump or Brexit, and for those exact reason, that they were idealist not capable of delivering the best for business and the population, nor compromise.

We live in strange times don't we.
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Lots of people found it unfathomable that anyone could seriously vote for Trump or Brexit, and for those exact reason, that they were idealist not capable of delivering the best for business and the population, nor compromise.

We live in strange times don't we.
Strange times indeed, I never in my wildest dreams would have believed Trump could win, and similarly with Brexit - but here we are in a strange new world.

PS, Looks like France are also trying to join the madness.
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Well, there's always the Liberal Democrats.
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Who?
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You know, the party that has been taking all the seats from UKIP in the local byelections.
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I don't have any faith that the Lib Dems wouldn't just fold like wet paper at the first sign of negotiation. They're unlikely to redeem themselves after their last bed-shitting situation without replacing literally everyone involved. For me at least.
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What negotiations? They are already over. The outcome is already blatantly clear. Theresa May's main problem is how to bypass the swivel-eyed Brexiteers and sell it to the electorate as a victory. Hence the snap election.
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I'm sorry, but I trust the current shadow cabinet on finances about as far as I can throw Diane ****ing Abbott.
Still better than the current government who believe they can abuse brexit to screw up existing laws without proper oversight.

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Still better than the current government who believe they can abuse brexit to screw up existing laws with no oversight.
So you'd rather have someone who called a militant trade union 'Comrades' all but 20 minutes ago running the worlds 5th largest economy.

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I'm starting to think we'd be better off electing our MPs by drawing names out of a hat.

Actually, having a random electoral system where the MP is selected at random according to the number of votes they got might not be an awful idea. It represents the people in aggregate (would mean a more proportionally represented Govt than FPTP), it doesn't penalise voting for small parties, and it forces MPs to listen to their constitients, even in safe seats.

EDIT: Seems that it has been studied https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_ballot
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Odds are narrowing on Dave Miliband making a snap announcement to return to politics
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