Radeon X1900-series roundup - bit-tech.net Forums

WilHarris · 10th Feb 2006, 15:41

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...roundup/1.html

Kynes · 10th Feb 2006, 17:30

AFAIK when you select Performance Adaptive Anti-Aliasing, you have half the alpha texture samples than geometry samples, so if you choose 2xPA AA in F.E.A.R. you don't get any adaptive AA. You can check it with the program DX9FSAAViewer.

otm3x · 11th Feb 2006, 03:39

I am just wondering what monitor are you guy running on a res. of 2048x1536
What CRT monitor do you use for your test system??

Thanks a lot

OTM3X

Marquee · 11th Feb 2006, 06:16

The only thing I don't like is the cooler is super loud. Also most of these guys are not selling nothing flashy, its like a reference card. No overclocked cards. They just slap on a sticker and sell it under there brand.

Tim S · 11th Feb 2006, 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by otm3x

I am just wondering what monitor are you guy running on a res. of 2048x1536
What CRT monitor do you use for your test system??

Thanks a lot

OTM3X

It's a 21" Samsung Syncmaster 1100W. Does 2048x1536 at 75Hz - pretty nice, but the apeture isn't quite as good as my Sony G400.

Tim S · 11th Feb 2006, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marquee

The only thing I don't like is the cooler is super loud. Also most of these guys are not selling nothing flashy, its like a reference card. No overclocked cards. They just slap on a sticker and sell it under there brand.

These are very early cards, please bear that in mind. ATI is a lot stricter than NVIDIA when it comes to clock speeds, but I wouldn't be surprised to see overclocked cards and cards with different coolers soon.

Tim S · 11th Feb 2006, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kynes

AFAIK when you select Performance Adaptive Anti-Aliasing, you have half the alpha texture samples than geometry samples, so if you choose 2xPA AA in F.E.A.R. you don't get any adaptive AA. You can check it with the program DX9FSAAViewer.

I'm pretty sure that there's a difference in performance and quality between 2xAA and 2xPA AA. That's why we've labelled it that way.

Highland3r · 11th Feb 2006, 12:15

Did all the 512mb cards come with 1.1ns ram tim? Or did you find slower on the XT?

Tim S · 11th Feb 2006, 12:40

From what we were told and what we saw on the X1900 CrossFire edition, the XT has slower memory. However, we didn't pop the heatsink off the PowerColor card before/after overclocking the cards as we had a number of problems getting the cards to overclock consistently after our initial problems.

The clocks we reported are verified, so we're happy that it was consistently overclocking. Both myself and Wil achieved the same clockspeeds separately.

Anyway, in answer to your question: I'll have a look later and report back if I get the chance before I leave the office. If not it'll have to be Monday.

Tim S · 11th Feb 2006, 13:48

1.1ns - I wouldn't take that as a guaranteed 1.1ns though as it's all about supply and demand. It depends how much supply of 1.1ns memory there is and at what price too.

Highland3r · 11th Feb 2006, 14:14

Cheers mate, interesting to see if the XT's stay with the 1.1ns...

Are the cards packed up? If not any chance of info on comparative vGPU/vDD/vDDQ for the XT/XTX?

Marquee · 11th Feb 2006, 16:09

Are the core on the two different. Since its the same core there just bumping up the voltage so that XTX can reach higher clocks. That said what are the core temp at OC and before OC for both XTX and XT.

kempez · 12th Feb 2006, 11:04

Hello there

I'm just wondering about some of your results I have this spec:

CPU AMD X2 4400+ @ 2.8GHz
Motherboard DFI LANPARTY SLi-D
RAM 2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix 1:1 @ 280 x 10: 3-3-3-8
Sapphire X1900XT-X
HDDOS: Maxtor 76gb 8mb Cache IDE
HDDGaming: 2 x Hitachi Deskstars in 74gb RAID 0 Array
CaseCoolermaster Stacker
PSU PCP&C 510 SLi
Sound Audigy ZS
OpticalSony DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo Drive

With a Dell 2405FPW

I can play F.E.A.R. at 1920 x 1200 with 4 x TAA and 16 x HQAF with AAA enabled....amongst others. I'm not going to pretend I can do as good a job as you do in your reviews but Here are the results I obtained from the games and they are far higher. I do not include the FPS, but I know that they are excellent (from doing various tests) so I was wondering how you couldn't get the cards at higher res/settings than you did?

Thanks

Reaper_Unreal · 12th Feb 2006, 16:48

Hey, just a heads up, the Adobe Premiere Elements 2.0 and Photoshop Elements 4.0 aren't a generation old, they just got released in november I think which means that the next product release isn't due for a while.

Great comparsion btw, really enjoyed that.

Oh yeah, and you guys drive real slow, 8.5min for a world loop?

Tim S · 13th Feb 2006, 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by kempez815

Hello there

I'm just wondering about some of your results I have this spec:

CPU AMD X2 4400+ @ 2.8GHz
Motherboard DFI LANPARTY SLi-D
RAM 2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix 1:1 @ 280 x 10: 3-3-3-8
Sapphire X1900XT-X
HDDOS: Maxtor 76gb 8mb Cache IDE
HDDGaming: 2 x Hitachi Deskstars in 74gb RAID 0 Array
CaseCoolermaster Stacker
PSU PCP&C 510 SLi
Sound Audigy ZS
OpticalSony DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo Drive

With a Dell 2405FPW

I can play F.E.A.R. at 1920 x 1200 with 4 x TAA and 16 x HQAF with AAA enabled....amongst others. I'm not going to pretend I can do as good a job as you do in your reviews but Here are the results I obtained from the games and they are far higher. I do not include the FPS, but I know that they are excellent (from doing various tests) so I was wondering how you couldn't get the cards at higher res/settings than you did?

Thanks

I'm pleased that you can run your games higher than what we've said - I know that many people can, too.

The point of our reviews is that we take a 'worst case scenario' and I'd rather underestimate for everything rather than overestimate. If I was to over-estimate, I'd have people telling me that I'm wrong because there's too much lag. If you're happy with a little bit of lag, you're able to play the game with much higher settings than I've shown.

Bindibadgi · 13th Feb 2006, 11:02

The thing is, you know Bigz is consistent. If you can get higher fps than you can get higher fps. No two PCs will produce the same results otherwise the futuremark leauge would be very boring and predictable. No matter how the setup changes Bigz's interpretation of gameplay smoothness will remain the same.

Tim S · 13th Feb 2006, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

The thing is, you know Bigz is consistent. If you can get higher fps than you can get higher fps. No two PCs will produce the same results otherwise the futuremark leauge would be very boring and predictable. No matter how the setup changes Bigz's interpretation of gameplay smoothness will remain the same.

You ripped the words right out of my mouth

kempez · 13th Feb 2006, 12:23

Hi. Yes I can play the game at higher settings. No I don't get lag. In fact I hate lag. A lot. I tend to do the same thing as you and "play the games". Its most likely cause I clocked the card higher (they go to 690/800 no fuss) that I could play with no lag but meh - nvm

I was just checking that you were underestimating as a lot of other sites have managed to get the cards to higher resolutions with no lag and seeing as Bit-Tech is one (if not the top) of the list of my trusted sites I just wanted an answer

Ta

korhojoa · 15th Feb 2006, 15:45

Hi, You wouldn't mind testing if the x1900 AIW works with the Crossfire card, would you?

Since i haven't seen any sources telling me that it won't/will work, I'd like it if you could test that

Tim S · 15th Feb 2006, 16:06

It doesn't for definite.

10th Feb 2006, 15:41	#1
WilHarris Just another nobody Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,671	Radeon X1900-series roundup http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...roundup/1.html

11th Feb 2006, 03:39	#3
otm3x Minimodder Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 46	I am just wondering what monitor are you guy running on a res. of 2048x1536 What CRT monitor do you use for your test system?? Thanks a lot OTM3X __________________ Last edited by otm3x; 11th Feb 2006 at 03:53.

11th Feb 2006, 06:16	#4
Marquee Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 404	The only thing I don't like is the cooler is super loud. Also most of these guys are not selling nothing flashy, its like a reference card. No overclocked cards. They just slap on a sticker and sell it under there brand. __________________ Project Log: Knight Rider CWC

11th Feb 2006, 12:15	#8
Highland3r I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Leeds UK Posts: 7,159	Did all the 512mb cards come with 1.1ns ram tim? Or did you find slower on the XT? __________________ Prawn or not...?

11th Feb 2006, 12:40	#9
Tim S Pewlius Caesar bit-tech Staff Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ascot, Berks Posts: 18,021	From what we were told and what we saw on the X1900 CrossFire edition, the XT has slower memory. However, we didn't pop the heatsink off the PowerColor card before/after overclocking the cards as we had a number of problems getting the cards to overclock consistently after our initial problems. The clocks we reported are verified, so we're happy that it was consistently overclocking. Both myself and Wil achieved the same clockspeeds separately. Anyway, in answer to your question: I'll have a look later and report back if I get the chance before I leave the office. If not it'll have to be Monday. __________________ Tim on Twitter \| Tim's Blog \| Tim's Flickr The bit-tech Blog \| bit-tech on Twitter \| Join the bit-tech & Custom PC folding team (#35947)

10th Feb 2006, 17:30	#2
Kynes What's a Dremel? Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Seville, Spain Posts: 2	AFAIK when you select Performance Adaptive Anti-Aliasing, you have half the alpha texture samples than geometry samples, so if you choose 2xPA AA in F.E.A.R. you don't get any adaptive AA. You can check it with the program DX9FSAAViewer.

11th Feb 2006, 13:48	#10
Tim S Pewlius Caesar bit-tech Staff Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ascot, Berks Posts: 18,021	1.1ns - I wouldn't take that as a guaranteed 1.1ns though as it's all about supply and demand. It depends how much supply of 1.1ns memory there is and at what price too. __________________ Tim on Twitter \| Tim's Blog \| Tim's Flickr The bit-tech Blog \| bit-tech on Twitter \| Join the bit-tech & Custom PC folding team (#35947)

11th Feb 2006, 14:14	#11
Highland3r I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Leeds UK Posts: 7,159	Cheers mate, interesting to see if the XT's stay with the 1.1ns... Are the cards packed up? If not any chance of info on comparative vGPU/vDD/vDDQ for the XT/XTX? __________________ Prawn or not...?

11th Feb 2006, 16:09	#12
Marquee Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 404	Are the core on the two different. Since its the same core there just bumping up the voltage so that XTX can reach higher clocks. That said what are the core temp at OC and before OC for both XTX and XT. __________________ Project Log: Knight Rider CWC

12th Feb 2006, 11:04	#13
kempez modding again! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,102	Hello there I'm just wondering about some of your results I have this spec: CPU AMD X2 4400+ @ 2.8GHz Motherboard DFI LANPARTY SLi-D RAM 2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix 1:1 @ 280 x 10: 3-3-3-8 Sapphire X1900XT-X HDDOS: Maxtor 76gb 8mb Cache IDE HDDGaming: 2 x Hitachi Deskstars in 74gb RAID 0 Array CaseCoolermaster Stacker PSU PCP&C 510 SLi Sound Audigy ZS OpticalSony DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo Drive With a Dell 2405FPW I can play F.E.A.R. at 1920 x 1200 with 4 x TAA and 16 x HQAF with AAA enabled....amongst others. I'm not going to pretend I can do as good a job as you do in your reviews but Here are the results I obtained from the games and they are far higher. I do not include the FPS, but I know that they are excellent (from doing various tests) so I was wondering how you couldn't get the cards at higher res/settings than you did? Thanks

12th Feb 2006, 16:48	#14
Reaper_Unreal Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 380	Hey, just a heads up, the Adobe Premiere Elements 2.0 and Photoshop Elements 4.0 aren't a generation old, they just got released in november I think which means that the next product release isn't due for a while. Great comparsion btw, really enjoyed that. Oh yeah, and you guys drive real slow, 8.5min for a world loop? __________________ If you made a Venn diagram, there would be two non-overlapping circles, one of which was labeled, “Times when I am truly happy” and the other of which was labeled, “Times when I am logged in as root, holding a cable, and have the case open.”

13th Feb 2006, 11:02	#16
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,294	The thing is, you know Bigz is consistent. If you can get higher fps than you can get higher fps. No two PCs will produce the same results otherwise the futuremark leauge would be very boring and predictable. No matter how the setup changes Bigz's interpretation of gameplay smoothness will remain the same. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

13th Feb 2006, 12:23	#18
kempez modding again! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,102	Hi. Yes I can play the game at higher settings. No I don't get lag. In fact I hate lag. A lot. I tend to do the same thing as you and "play the games". Its most likely cause I clocked the card higher (they go to 690/800 no fuss) that I could play with no lag but meh - nvm I was just checking that you were underestimating as a lot of other sites have managed to get the cards to higher resolutions with no lag and seeing as Bit-Tech is one (if not the top) of the list of my trusted sites I just wanted an answer Ta Last edited by kempez; 13th Feb 2006 at 12:58.

15th Feb 2006, 15:45	#19
korhojoa Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Vaasa, Finland Posts: 149	Hi, You wouldn't mind testing if the x1900 AIW works with the Crossfire card, would you? Since i haven't seen any sources telling me that it won't/will work, I'd like it if you could test that __________________ the world is not enough, i gotta have modding too.

15th Feb 2006, 16:06	#20
Tim S Pewlius Caesar bit-tech Staff Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ascot, Berks Posts: 18,021	It doesn't for definite. __________________ Tim on Twitter \| Tim's Blog \| Tim's Flickr The bit-tech Blog \| bit-tech on Twitter \| Join the bit-tech & Custom PC folding team (#35947)