RIAA says back-ups now illegal - bit-tech.net Forums

OneSeventeen · 16th Feb 2006, 17:08

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Originally Posted by eff.org

It is no secret that the entertainment oligopolists are not happy about space-shifting and format-shifting. But surely ripping your own CDs to your own iPod passes muster, right? In fact, didn't they admit as much in front of the Supreme Court during the MGM v. Grokster argument last year?

Apparently not.

As part of the on-going DMCA rule-making proceedings, the RIAA and other copyright industry associations submitted a filing that included this gem as part of their argument that space-shifting and format-shifting do not count as noninfringing uses, even when you are talking about making copies of your own CDs:

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Originally Posted by 2005 supreme court hearing

"Nor does the fact that permission to make a copy in particular circumstances is often or even routinely granted, necessarily establish that the copying is a fair use when the copyright owner withholds that authorization. In this regard, the statement attributed to counsel for copyright owners in the MGM v. Grokster case is simply a statement about authorization, not about fair use."

The Original Article From eff.org

My easier-to-read blog entry with links

If that's pimping, let me know and I'll remove it, but I feel mine is a bit dummed-down and easier to read, and includes links to documents and page numbers of where to find the quotes.

OneSeventeen · 16th Feb 2006, 17:11

(I figured I'd start commenting in a different post, for cleanliness)
From a document referenced in the article:

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Originally Posted by RIAA Copyright Docket No. RM 2005-11

Even if CDs do become damaged, replacements are readily available at affordable prices.

I for one feel that if you read this, and know this is the RIAA's stance, and you still purchase a CD from an RIAA managed label, then you are accepting the responsibility and almost deserve to replace your scratched CDs by purchasing new ones, primarily because you are supporting an organization with this type of policy.

If you don't agree with the policy, don't support the company. There aren't that many good albums out anyway, and online radio is free and getting to be better and better each month.

As soon as the RIAA officially states I can make as many personal copies of my CDs as I want, I purchase more CDs to support the bands I like. Otherwise, I'm happy not paying a dime for music.

SJH · 16th Feb 2006, 17:13

From BoingBoing.net:

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AV points out that the RIAA website contradicts this: "If you choose to take your own CDs and make copies for yourself on your computer or portable music player, that's great. It's your music and we want you to enjoy it at home, at work, in the car and on the jogging trail."

Sam

Arkuden · 16th Feb 2006, 17:19

So whats the deal? Which one stands?

Bogomip · 16th Feb 2006, 17:25

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Originally Posted by OneSeventeen

As soon as the RIAA officially states I can make as many personal copies of my CDs as I want, I purchase more CDs to support the bands I like. Otherwise, I'm happy not paying a dime for music.

Im also happy not paying a dime toward them. There enormous cocks and the sooner someone that can do something realises that the better.

Its funny, there taking MS over on the big evil company point of view. At least microsoft dont sue all their users and make "some" good stuff. GJ RIAA, Cockbags deluxe.

(sorry for nothing for constructive by the way, theres just... nothing left to say!)

P.S. Dont buy albums for people too, who knows what kind of crazy ant-piracy rules youll be breaking! *rolleyes*

chemo · 16th Feb 2006, 17:46

i thought it was deemed legal to copy your own cd's for you own use on mp3 players etc or back them up to cd at one point?
so theyve changed it from being legal to illegal back to legal again?
if so thats the weirdest 180 ive seen.

RotoSequence · 16th Feb 2006, 18:15

Its the RIAA, what do you expect?

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Originally Posted by Steve Balmer

Im going to ****ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. Im going to ****ing kill the RIAA

If only

Da Dego · 16th Feb 2006, 19:54

OneSeventeen, I've tossed this in as news, should be up in a bit, with fair credit to ya

Also read through the document and found some other fun things, like the MPAA calling linux "contrary to protecting copyrights" and other gems.

Flibblebot · 16th Feb 2006, 21:17

But isn't fair use in current copyright legislation (at least in the UK)? If so, are the RIAA saying they're above the law?

ozstrike · 16th Feb 2006, 21:39

So is it technically illegal to rip CDs to an mp3 player?
If so, I assume that a few companies will have something to say about that.

P2D · 16th Feb 2006, 21:40

the RIAA Can shove there policys up there anal cavitys tbh.

[BIT doesnt agree with the following(cough)- Just my opinion.]

I download all my music.
All 5,000+ mp3s
I dont give a toss what the RIAA say about this- Stop ripping everyone off and make up your god damn minds!

Sue me.

Mike.

kiljoi · 16th Feb 2006, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by P2D

the RIAA Can shove there policys up there anal cavitys tbh.

cavities*

If you're gonna sling insults, do it properly.

Also, on the topic, this is BS. I haven't bought a cd quite some time (or downloaded), and am quite happy that way. I already have most of the music I consider good, and will be content with listening to it for a good long while.

quack · 16th Feb 2006, 21:48

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Originally Posted by Flibblebot

But isn't fair use in current copyright legislation (at least in the UK)? If so, are the RIAA saying they're above the law?

In the US there are "fair use" provisions, but the RIAA are now saying that they don't cover ripping your legally paid-for CDs so you can put the songs on your MP3 player.

In the UK? We have no fair use provision. It is illegal to rip your own CDs.

<A88> · 16th Feb 2006, 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by P2D

the RIAA Can shove there policys up there anal cavitys tbh.

[BIT doesnt agree with the following(cough)- Just my opinion.]

I download all my music.
All 5,000+ mp3s
I dont give a toss what the RIAA say about this- Stop ripping everyone off and make up your god damn minds!

Sue me.

Mike.

Let's hope they do; then the artists whose music you enjoy daily can get a few pound back off of you for ripping them off and being yet another one of those charming fans who couldn't give a toss whether they make any money out of their music- they just want it to keep coming. And all because you think this will work as a protest towards the recording industries to lower prices.

<A88>

quack · 16th Feb 2006, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by P2D

The RIAA can shove their policies up their anal cavities tbh.

Ahem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by P2D

[BIT doesnt agree with the following(cough)- Just my opinion.]

*snip illegal stuff*

Sue me.

If the BPI reads this, and demand to know who you are and what your IP address is, bit-tech won't hesitate to give the information out. So watch what you're saying.

RotoSequence · 16th Feb 2006, 22:49

</unethical conversations>

Now be good and proper people and voice why the RIAA is being stupid and contradicting themselves, and the supreme court of the USA left right and center

DXR_13KE · 16th Feb 2006, 22:53

RIAA will some day receave what they desearve.
there is saying in Portuguese:
"O que é para eles os ratos nao roem."
"What is for them the rats wont eat"

and yes they look to be above the law.

Firehed · 17th Feb 2006, 05:27

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Originally Posted by Arkuden

So whats the deal? Which one stands?

Whichever makes them more money. So, the first.

I stopped buying new music a long time ago. Most of it is crap anyways, not even worth pirating. I'll buy music if it's not RIAA backed (and I like it, of course), but otherwise they're not getting a cent. It's about a third of the reason that I won't use the iTMS either. As I mentioned in my slightly more rude /. post on the same subject, it's these atrocious business models that are killing them and driving even more people to piracy. But lest we forget, piracy has also historically aided CD sales in many cases.

webbyman · 17th Feb 2006, 09:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by P2D

the RIAA Can shove there policys up there anal cavitys tbh.

[BIT doesnt agree with the following(cough)- Just my opinion.]

I download all my music.
All 5,000+ mp3s
I dont give a toss what the RIAA say about this- Stop ripping everyone off and make up your god damn minds!

Sue me.

Mike.

we know your name we know your age we know roughly where you live, what you own and what your room looks like

and im sure from going throught your previous posts we can find yet more about you, so is that a great thing to say?

geek1017 · 17th Feb 2006, 10:12

Yep, I have never, iirc, bought a CD in a store.
Well, in second hand shops yeah.
I have borrowed cds from friends and ripped them.
I buy cds at concerts if I like the band, and most of the bands I like are not on major labels and get most of their money from touring.

the RIAA, MPAA, and whoever else can bite my shiney metal ***.
I won't give them a dime.

16th Feb 2006, 17:46	#6
chemo True Jungle Brother Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,639	i thought it was deemed legal to copy your own cd's for you own use on mp3 players etc or back them up to cd at one point? so theyve changed it from being legal to illegal back to legal again? if so thats the weirdest 180 ive seen. __________________ Don't hate the Geek, Hate the code!

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Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	OneSeventeen, I've tossed this in as news, should be up in a bit, with fair credit to ya Also read through the document and found some other fun things, like the MPAA calling linux "contrary to protecting copyrights" and other gems. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

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geek1017 Hypermodder Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Uonuma-Shi, Niigata-ken Posts: 635	Yep, I have never, iirc, bought a CD in a store. Well, in second hand shops yeah. I have borrowed cds from friends and ripped them. I buy cds at concerts if I like the band, and most of the bands I like are not on major labels and get most of their money from touring. the RIAA, MPAA, and whoever else can bite my shiney metal ***. I won't give them a dime. __________________ Thought I'd put something here. Apparently I'm 47.53452% geek I expected more