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Sam0r · 5th Apr 2006, 13:06

I've recently put together a PC.

The specs are:

Pentium 4 2.8ghz Prescott
Zalman Flower heatsink + 120mm fan
MSI 848P Neo-V Mainboard
512mb DDR Ram (Micron Technology Cas 3 at 200mhz)
Geforce 4 Ti4200 64mb
120gb Maxtor Diamondmax +9 SATA Hdd

Now, at idle, my cpu is at 75ºc and hits 89ºc when playing Counter-Strike: Source, the system doesn't crash, but hl2.exe unexpectidly quits.

There is obviously a problem here, the 120mm fan is runnig at 7v as are the two fans next to the CPU. There is also an 80mm fan blowing in from the front.

Any ideas? The CPU voltage is at default.

Fr4nk · 5th Apr 2006, 13:17

F*** me! Just a little hot, try reseating the cooler with some AS5. also if you touch the HS (for more than 5s) is it really hot ? It could just be a sensor error...

Sam0r · 5th Apr 2006, 13:21

Yeah, I've touched the heatsink, and it didn't feel that hot at all. My G4 runs at 57c and touching the heatsink on that hurts.

Its only just been put together though, less than a week. I didn't even know it was overheating untill last night, when I installed MBM5 and saw the temperatures!

Although, if I turn the fans to 12v, everything goes down to around 55c, but its very, very noisey. But, with a 120mm fan on it, it shouldn't need to be running at full wack, should it?

Shadowed_fury · 5th Apr 2006, 13:42

I seem to remember something about MSI being pretty bad at temp reporting.
Otherwise, like fr4nk said, a reseat is the best idea.

Krikkit · 5th Apr 2006, 13:46

Reseat the sink. I doubt it's a temp probe problem, they're usually out by a few degrees, but not by 30+.

Wasn't there a little app somewhere that told you if P4's were doing the thermal throttling thing? If you found that you'd know what was going on instantly.

Bindibadgi · 5th Apr 2006, 13:53

That's LGA, right??

You've not got the contact right. LGA is a sheer absoulte ******* to get right. There's no in between you either nail it with a perfect contact and get 40C or get nearly nuclear. That's why I went for this:

My theory is that people just dont make good contact, because since using this Ive never had problems with Prescott temps, even my dual core.

Sam0r · 5th Apr 2006, 14:02

Its S478 Bindi

I'll have a look into the throttling thing, thanks krikkit

Edit:

How ironic, as soon as I'd posted that, the fire alarms went off

RotoSequence · 5th Apr 2006, 14:37

Heheh, ironic indeed. Sounds definitely like a seating issue; my friend's Pentium D was running at 80° Celsius the other day; turns out the heatsink was completely blocked with dust. (Dumb ignorant users and a PITA uber prideful paren t not letting people of non vietnamese descent look at it

)

Fr4nk · 5th Apr 2006, 14:45

I just noticed that you have a MSI mobo and that I remember you overclocking this chip, though it's a long shot, when I had my X2 on my old MSI mobo after a few months of having it OCed the temp sensors went mad, it reported temps of 125C & -50C. maybe the same thing could be happening with you...

Sam0r · 5th Apr 2006, 15:43

Hmmm very possible fr4nk, although now I'm running it at stock.

Doesn't explain why it goes down to 55c when I turn the fans up to full though.

hitman012 · 5th Apr 2006, 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam0r

I'll have a look into the throttling thing, thanks krikkit

This is the one.

If you think that this is caused by sensor miscalibration, it might be worth checking MSI's site for any updates to the BIOS with fixes listed in the notes. I'd definitely reseat that heatsink, though

Sam0r · 5th Apr 2006, 18:31

Ok, I've re-seated the heatsink, same problems.

Also, I'm running the latest bios.

Hmm

hitman012 · 5th Apr 2006, 19:21

Did you clean off the existing thermal paste and apply a fresh application?

Krikkit · 5th Apr 2006, 19:45

Did you try the app that hitman posted to? That'd tell us what's what.

Sam0r · 6th Apr 2006, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitman012

Did you clean off the existing thermal paste and apply a fresh application?

Yep.

I'll give that app a go now.

Nexxo · 6th Apr 2006, 19:00

Are the temps as reported by BIOS or by MBM? MBM can throw up extrememly weird results if not set up correctly for your mobo (anything from -50 to +127C).

Sam0r · 6th Apr 2006, 19:36

Both BIOS and MBM5. Also, its not throttling at all, what temp do prescotts throttle at?

Krikkit · 7th Apr 2006, 09:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam0r

Both BIOS and MBM5. Also, its not throttling at all, what temp do prescotts throttle at?

Well below 80 or whatever it was saying, so it's a BIOS/reporting problem. If the CPU was at that temp it would've throttled by now tbh.

[edit] After reading up, it doesn't generally throttle properly until about 85+, so did you test it idle or under load? [/edit]

Sam0r · 7th Apr 2006, 10:35

Well, under load as I played linage 2 for a few hours to get it going. Came back from lineage 2 and it was at 90degC.

The program didn't report any throttling. I think I'm just going to leave it, its deffinately reporting the wrong temperature, if it WAS at 90degC, I'm very sure something would've gone pop or at least the game would've crashed.

Krikkit · 7th Apr 2006, 11:22

Perhaps, perhaps not, that article seems to say that you don't really see a performance diff. right up until it throttles...

5th Apr 2006, 13:06	#1
Sam0r Hater of Seagate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,894	Overheating issue. I've recently put together a PC. The specs are: Pentium 4 2.8ghz Prescott Zalman Flower heatsink + 120mm fan MSI 848P Neo-V Mainboard 512mb DDR Ram (Micron Technology Cas 3 at 200mhz) Geforce 4 Ti4200 64mb 120gb Maxtor Diamondmax +9 SATA Hdd Now, at idle, my cpu is at 75ºc and hits 89ºc when playing Counter-Strike: Source, the system doesn't crash, but hl2.exe unexpectidly quits. There is obviously a problem here, the 120mm fan is runnig at 7v as are the two fans next to the CPU. There is also an 80mm fan blowing in from the front. Any ideas? The CPU voltage is at default. __________________ Lenovo 3000 N200 - C2D 1.6 - 2gb DDR533 - 120gb HD Xbox Live Gamertag: Sam00r \| My Blog Type Thing

5th Apr 2006, 13:17	#2
Fr4nk Tyrannosaurus Alan ! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Uk, Essex Posts: 2,367	F*** me! Just a little hot, try reseating the cooler with some AS5. also if you touch the HS (for more than 5s) is it really hot ? It could just be a sensor error... __________________ {Macbook Pro + Dell 2407 WFP - Canon 3000V + Canon 350D + BG-E3 + Sigma 10-20mm + 50mm f1.8 + kit 28-90mm EF - Rolleiflex 2.8 TLR} *Flickr ~Flickriver ^ My Behance Art Folio

5th Apr 2006, 13:21	#3
Sam0r Hater of Seagate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,894	Yeah, I've touched the heatsink, and it didn't feel that hot at all. My G4 runs at 57c and touching the heatsink on that hurts. Its only just been put together though, less than a week. I didn't even know it was overheating untill last night, when I installed MBM5 and saw the temperatures! Although, if I turn the fans to 12v, everything goes down to around 55c, but its very, very noisey. But, with a 120mm fan on it, it shouldn't need to be running at full wack, should it? __________________ Lenovo 3000 N200 - C2D 1.6 - 2gb DDR533 - 120gb HD Xbox Live Gamertag: Sam00r \| My Blog Type Thing

5th Apr 2006, 13:42	#4
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5th Apr 2006, 13:46	#5
Krikkit Super Moderator Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lancs, UK Posts: 22,158	Reseat the sink. I doubt it's a temp probe problem, they're usually out by a few degrees, but not by 30+. Wasn't there a little app somewhere that told you if P4's were doing the thermal throttling thing? If you found that you'd know what was going on instantly. __________________ The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, The Zlad!, The Wut?!, The Kempness

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5th Apr 2006, 13:53	#6
Bindibadgi Omnipwntent Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: ASUS HQ Posts: 34,063	That's LGA, right?? You've not got the contact right. LGA is a sheer absoulte ******* to get right. There's no in between you either nail it with a perfect contact and get 40C or get nearly nuclear. That's why I went for this: My theory is that people just dont make good contact, because since using this Ive never had problems with Prescott temps, even my dual core. __________________ Slash88: That kettle video just made me go death thanks. Fizzban: And it is being panda'd to..lame.

5th Apr 2006, 14:02	#7
Sam0r Hater of Seagate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,894	Its S478 Bindi I'll have a look into the throttling thing, thanks krikkit Edit: How ironic, as soon as I'd posted that, the fire alarms went off __________________ Lenovo 3000 N200 - C2D 1.6 - 2gb DDR533 - 120gb HD Xbox Live Gamertag: Sam00r \| My Blog Type Thing Last edited by Sam0r; 5th Apr 2006 at 14:18.

5th Apr 2006, 14:37	#8
RotoSequence Lazy Lurker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 'States Posts: 4,588	Heheh, ironic indeed. Sounds definitely like a seating issue; my friend's Pentium D was running at 80° Celsius the other day; turns out the heatsink was completely blocked with dust. (Dumb ignorant users and a PITA uber prideful paren t not letting people of non vietnamese descent look at it ) __________________ Technology Schmecnology

5th Apr 2006, 14:45	#9
Fr4nk Tyrannosaurus Alan ! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Uk, Essex Posts: 2,367	I just noticed that you have a MSI mobo and that I remember you overclocking this chip, though it's a long shot, when I had my X2 on my old MSI mobo after a few months of having it OCed the temp sensors went mad, it reported temps of 125C & -50C. maybe the same thing could be happening with you... __________________ {Macbook Pro + Dell 2407 WFP - Canon 3000V + Canon 350D + BG-E3 + Sigma 10-20mm + 50mm f1.8 + kit 28-90mm EF - Rolleiflex 2.8 TLR} *Flickr ~Flickriver ^ My Behance Art Folio

5th Apr 2006, 15:43	#10
Sam0r Hater of Seagate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,894	Hmmm very possible fr4nk, although now I'm running it at stock. Doesn't explain why it goes down to 55c when I turn the fans up to full though. __________________ Lenovo 3000 N200 - C2D 1.6 - 2gb DDR533 - 120gb HD Xbox Live Gamertag: Sam00r \| My Blog Type Thing

5th Apr 2006, 18:31	#12
Sam0r Hater of Seagate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,894	Ok, I've re-seated the heatsink, same problems. Also, I'm running the latest bios. Hmm __________________ Lenovo 3000 N200 - C2D 1.6 - 2gb DDR533 - 120gb HD Xbox Live Gamertag: Sam00r \| My Blog Type Thing

5th Apr 2006, 19:21	#13
hitman012 Super Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,877	Did you clean off the existing thermal paste and apply a fresh application? __________________ "Nothing is more practical than a good theory" - Kurt Lewin Last edited by hitman012; 5th Apr 2006 at 19:32.

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Krikkit Super Moderator Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lancs, UK Posts: 22,158	Did you try the app that hitman posted to? That'd tell us what's what. __________________ The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, The Zlad!, The Wut?!, The Kempness

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Nexxo There is no rep for awesomeness. Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 22,680	Are the temps as reported by BIOS or by MBM? MBM can throw up extrememly weird results if not set up correctly for your mobo (anything from -50 to +127C). __________________ "You actually hope to achieve your ideals, I just use mine as an excuse to hate everything" --specofdust "Right wing Republicans, all the murderousness of nut-job Iranian ayatollahs, none of the bearded coolness" --specofdust

6th Apr 2006, 19:36	#17
Sam0r Hater of Seagate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,894	Both BIOS and MBM5. Also, its not throttling at all, what temp do prescotts throttle at? __________________ Lenovo 3000 N200 - C2D 1.6 - 2gb DDR533 - 120gb HD Xbox Live Gamertag: Sam00r \| My Blog Type Thing

7th Apr 2006, 10:35	#19
Sam0r Hater of Seagate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,894	Well, under load as I played linage 2 for a few hours to get it going. Came back from lineage 2 and it was at 90degC. The program didn't report any throttling. I think I'm just going to leave it, its deffinately reporting the wrong temperature, if it WAS at 90degC, I'm very sure something would've gone pop or at least the game would've crashed. __________________ Lenovo 3000 N200 - C2D 1.6 - 2gb DDR533 - 120gb HD Xbox Live Gamertag: Sam00r \| My Blog Type Thing

7th Apr 2006, 11:22	#20
Krikkit Super Moderator Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lancs, UK Posts: 22,158	Perhaps, perhaps not, that article seems to say that you don't really see a performance diff. right up until it throttles... __________________ The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, The Zlad!, The Wut?!, The Kempness