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solar · 17th May 2006, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Juppun

I really want one after seeing their price.... but I wanna put Windows on it lol.... has anyone given it a go yet?

I don't think Apple have released the driver pack for Boot Camp yet (correct me if I'm wrong) so not everything will work perfectly. I'm sure they'll release it soon though.

Why do you want to put Windows on it though? The only reason I can think of to have Windows on a Mac is for gaming, and the integrated graphics aren't going to be very good for that.

J-Pepper · 17th May 2006, 19:48

I'm getting a white 2Ghz one with 2GB Ram upgrade for £985!!

customh · 17th May 2006, 19:59

Hey bindi, check out some acer's. They have quite a few with X1400's that have dvi AND vga outs that are thin, 15.4" and light.

Orca · 17th May 2006, 20:04

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Originally Posted by solar

Why do you want to put Windows on it though? The only reason I can think of to have Windows on a Mac is for gaming, and the integrated graphics aren't going to be very good for that.

I dunno to be honest. I've never used a mac before and scared it'll all go pear shaped. But you do raise a valid point... I wont be using this as a gaming machine but more of a work machine/slight entertainment.

Maybe this will convert me...

NoahFuLing · 17th May 2006, 20:17

From what I've heard, the hard drive is more easily upgradeable than one would think. http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1750 . Also, I've been led to believe (by someone working in the Macbook division) that the keyboard unit is UNDERNEATH the shell, and by removing the top shell the keyboard unit is replaceable. Not sure about that though.
My neighbor's getting a white one through educational discount, and I'll post pictures of it if anyone wants!

simon_C · 17th May 2006, 20:38

NOTICE: I have discovered something rather important! On the MacBooks (Pro as well), if you click while 2 fingers are placed on the touch pad, it emulates a Control+Click ("right" click)!
Useful bit of info there i believe. Also, there is a small little app out there somewhere that lets you use Control+Click to emulate right click in windows. not sure what it is. Will find it thogh.

Bindibadgi · 17th May 2006, 21:22

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Originally Posted by customholle

Hey bindi, check out some acer's. They have quite a few with X1400's that have dvi AND vga outs that are thin, 15.4" and light.

The whole point is because I want OSX, not cause I enjoy looking like a fashion icon.

customh · 17th May 2006, 21:43

Sucks they wont let us put it on boxes that we build/ notebooks we buy....legally...

cderalow · 18th May 2006, 04:23

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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

But GMA graphics?? Im stuck with buying a 15.4" pro now

Why dosent anyone do a lappy with good graphics that isnt huge?

bindi have you seen a 15.4" in the flesh? yes its wide, but its damn thin and damn light

looked at the new macbooks in store today and the black does look spiffy... but if i were to get one, it'd probably get plonked into my car as an emergency system

Tomm · 18th May 2006, 13:43

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Originally Posted by simon_C

I have discovered something rather important! On the MacBooks (Pro as well), if you click while 2 fingers are placed on the touch pad, it emulates a Control+Click ("right" click)!

Apparently that only works on the newer MacBook Pros and anyone that ordered one of the first ones will be disappointed.

If anyone finds a program to do the same for a Powerbook G4, I'd be very happy. I really can't get used to ctrl-clicking stuff.

K · 18th May 2006, 19:27

An Apple laptop with a user upgradeable hard drive? What is this, Bizarro Bit-Tech?! :O

Want. So bad. But the only reason I'd have to upgrade my G4 Powerbook is to get a Mac that'll play stuff like BF2 and CS:S at a decent speed... Which isn't really going to happen with the Macbook though eh? Oh well, for what it is, it looks absolutely fantastic.

mookboy · 18th May 2006, 21:43

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Originally Posted by K

An Apple laptop with a user upgradeable hard drive? What is this, Bizarro Bit-Tech?! :O

Want. So bad. But the only reason I'd have to upgrade my G4 Powerbook is to get a Mac that'll play stuff like BF2 and CS:S at a decent speed... Which isn't really going to happen with the Macbook though eh? Oh well, for what it is, it looks absolutely fantastic.

*Points at new MacBook Pro*

I just had to post that as I've just set it up. Sorry.

Personally I think that assuming you want to use the new MacBook in the same manner as the last iBook then it seems fantastic value. I'm sure the comparisons could be made between them and cheaper PC laptops, but the features and design aspects blow them away in my opinion - and of course coupled with OS X then it wins despite the weak GPU.

DreamTheEndless · 18th May 2006, 22:38

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Originally Posted by K

An Apple laptop with a user upgradeable hard drive? What is this, Bizarro Bit-Tech?! :O

Want. So bad. But the only reason I'd have to upgrade my G4 Powerbook is to get a Mac that'll play stuff like BF2 and CS:S at a decent speed... Which isn't really going to happen with the Macbook though eh? Oh well, for what it is, it looks absolutely fantastic.

"User Upgradeable" is relative of course, but apple notebooks have had "User Upgradeable" hard drives for years. I replaced the hard drive (either 2gb or 4 gb, I can't remember which right now,) in my sisters blue and white clamshell ibook with a used 8gb many years ago.

Really close to the time apple started using g3 processors they started using standard parts. I had a beige 300mhz powerpc g3 macintosh that used an IDE hard drive, pci video card, standard SDram... I think it still had a scsi cd rom drive, but it was standard scsi.

The original bondi-blue imac hard drive was IDE and the cd-rom drive was laptop ide.

Now, I know that not everyone would feel comfortable taking apart a laptop to replace a hard drive, but bit-tech members should'nt have a problem with a few screws.....

K · 18th May 2006, 22:56

mookie: I hate you. You should totally send that ex-PC my way though. You know it makes sense. I'll send you something nice in return. Like... Some chocolates.

DreamTheEndless: Believe me, I know. I have replaced the hard-drive on my 12" G4 PowerBook and it's really not worthy of the title 'user upgradeable' compared to most laptop and desktop methods. Plus, I'm sure taking apart the laptop yourself will invalidate the warranty... And that's a bit **** right?

mookboy · 19th May 2006, 08:38

I'd be quite interested to try the magnetic catch, despite reports to the contrary, the new double latch design on the MBP just doesn't feel great to me. It seems to take too much pressure (atleast on mine) to close it first time - maybe the hinges need to loosen up, I dunno.

Tomm · 19th May 2006, 20:11

I'm not a big fan of the clasp on my Powerbook either. The button to open it is too small and fiddly. I really have to get my nail in there to open it, and I have pretty small hands. The iBook one is only a millimetre or so bigger but it works much better. The magnetic thing looks cool, I would love to try it

Orca · 20th May 2006, 03:03

Righto.... I decided imma get one of these babies... but in about a month or 2 since I'm in no rush. Can't wait =)

Those who ordered one lemme know your thoughts about it!

PHILIP1193 · 20th May 2006, 15:28

been reading about and i think apple are going to be doing rev 2 soon.\ the ones that are currantly shipping are almost pre-production models so to speak. The laptops thatare currentyly been produced are having majour heat issues, i.e. throwing errors or in windows terms BSOD's and then ahving to be restarted. Its when they ahve been used for 30 mins to an hour under heavy use. Its those intel chips heating up and then apple not hvaing enough cooling from what i can gather hence why i think in a month r so they will bring out rev 2 to address the heat issues

thats my 2 cents worth anyway

Phil

Bindibadgi · 22nd May 2006, 19:37

Went into the Apple store in London today and was really unimpressed by the black-book's. The finish is really nasty. Definately more impressed by the 15.4" MBPs which really dont look that much bigger than the 13s, and put my 15.4" Dell to shame.

Gordy · 22nd May 2006, 21:46

Your damn skippy bindi

You need to ditch the dell and come to the mbp side

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K 528491 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: West Midlands Posts: 5,701	An Apple laptop with a user upgradeable hard drive? What is this, Bizarro Bit-Tech?! :O Want. So bad. But the only reason I'd have to upgrade my G4 Powerbook is to get a Mac that'll play stuff like BF2 and CS:S at a decent speed... Which isn't really going to happen with the Macbook though eh? Oh well, for what it is, it looks absolutely fantastic. __________________ ⌥⌘⎋

18th May 2006, 22:56	#54
K 528491 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: West Midlands Posts: 5,701	mookie: I hate you. You should totally send that ex-PC my way though. You know it makes sense. I'll send you something nice in return. Like... Some chocolates. DreamTheEndless: Believe me, I know. I have replaced the hard-drive on my 12" G4 PowerBook and it's really not worthy of the title 'user upgradeable' compared to most laptop and desktop methods. Plus, I'm sure taking apart the laptop yourself will invalidate the warranty... And that's a bit **** right? __________________ ⌥⌘⎋

19th May 2006, 20:11	#56
Tomm I also ride trials :¬) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Fallowfield, Manchester Posts: 2,249	I'm not a big fan of the clasp on my Powerbook either. The button to open it is too small and fiddly. I really have to get my nail in there to open it, and I have pretty small hands. The iBook one is only a millimetre or so bigger but it works much better. The magnetic thing looks cool, I would love to try it __________________ Carrot cake cheesecake Shuttle SN85G4V2 \| A64 3200+ / Apple PowerBook 12

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Orca BF3: 0rcaGT Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,061	Righto.... I decided imma get one of these babies... but in about a month or 2 since I'm in no rush. Can't wait =) Those who ordered one lemme know your thoughts about it! __________________ Workstation: Mac Pro [ 23.2Ghz, 16GB, M4 256GB, HD 5770 ] SR80i/Gigaworks T40 II Gaming Rig:* RV02 [ P8P67 Pro, i5-2500k w/H50-1, 850W Black Edition, 8GB XMS3 DDR3, M4 128GB, GTX 570, Xonar Xense ] PC350

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17th May 2006, 19:59	#43
customh conflagration. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,590	Hey bindi, check out some acer's. They have quite a few with X1400's that have dvi AND vga outs that are thin, 15.4" and light.

17th May 2006, 20:17	#45
NoahFuLing Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 436	From what I've heard, the hard drive is more easily upgradeable than one would think. http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1750 . Also, I've been led to believe (by someone working in the Macbook division) that the keyboard unit is UNDERNEATH the shell, and by removing the top shell the keyboard unit is replaceable. Not sure about that though. My neighbor's getting a white one through educational discount, and I'll post pictures of it if anyone wants!

17th May 2006, 20:38	#46
simon_C Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Manchester, NH, USA Posts: 271	NOTICE: I have discovered something rather important! On the MacBooks (Pro as well), if you click while 2 fingers are placed on the touch pad, it emulates a Control+Click ("right" click)! Useful bit of info there i believe. Also, there is a small little app out there somewhere that lets you use Control+Click to emulate right click in windows. not sure what it is. Will find it thogh.

17th May 2006, 21:43	#48
customh conflagration. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,590	Sucks they wont let us put it on boxes that we build/ notebooks we buy....legally...

19th May 2006, 08:38	#55
mookboy BRAAAAAAP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NEwcastle Posts: 3,789	I'd be quite interested to try the magnetic catch, despite reports to the contrary, the new double latch design on the MBP just doesn't feel great to me. It seems to take too much pressure (atleast on mine) to close it first time - maybe the hinges need to loosen up, I dunno.

20th May 2006, 15:28	#58
PHILIP1193 a Self Confessed HP Server Lover!! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Shrewsbury Posts: 356	been reading about and i think apple are going to be doing rev 2 soon.\ the ones that are currantly shipping are almost pre-production models so to speak. The laptops thatare currentyly been produced are having majour heat issues, i.e. throwing errors or in windows terms BSOD's and then ahving to be restarted. Its when they ahve been used for 30 mins to an hour under heavy use. Its those intel chips heating up and then apple not hvaing enough cooling from what i can gather hence why i think in a month r so they will bring out rev 2 to address the heat issues thats my 2 cents worth anyway Phil

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Bindibadgi Omnipwntent Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: ASUS HQ Posts: 34,062	Went into the Apple store in London today and was really unimpressed by the black-book's. The finish is really nasty. Definately more impressed by the 15.4" MBPs which really dont look that much bigger than the 13s, and put my 15.4" Dell to shame. __________________ Slash88: That kettle video just made me go death thanks. Fizzban: And it is being panda'd to..lame.

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Gordy Evil Teddy Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bristol Posts: 2,533	Your damn skippy bindi You need to ditch the dell and come to the mbp side __________________ www: gordyhand.co.uk twitter: gordeh flickr: gordyhand