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Garside · 5th Sep 2006, 11:41

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/09..._release_date/

BioSniper · 5th Sep 2006, 11:46

I'll probably mostly ignore BD/HD DVD untill DVD vanishes or unless the prices drop rather rapidly.
Im guessing most people will also ignore it because alot of people (atleast in the UK) don't have HD TV sets yet and to get the benefit of HD/BD-ROM you kinda need one and to most, why bother when DVD/regular TV sets work just fine?

DougEdey · 5th Sep 2006, 11:47

I don't understand why Microsoft are "flummox"ing Sony.

Surely its Toshiba thats flummoxing not Microsoft, Microsoft haven't unveiled a release date...

Cthippo · 5th Sep 2006, 11:50

What does this have to do with MS? The article is about a Toshiba drive being released days before the PoS3, or am I missing somthing here?

Either way, too little too late.

Garside · 5th Sep 2006, 12:16

Well the implication is Toshiba release their new player two days before Sony's PS3. Toshiba don't want to go head to head with Sony, my assumption is therefore, that Microsoft is possibly pulling the strings...

[Rx] · 5th Sep 2006, 12:23

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Originally Posted by Cthippo

What does this have to do with MS? The article is about a Toshiba drive being released days before the PoS3, or am I missing somthing here?

Either way, too little too late.

Microsoft unveiled a HD-DVD drive to go with the Xbox 360 at E3, therefore it is going head to head with Sonys Blu Ray Technology

Also the UK is getting more HD Ready TV Sets you can now get a Samsung HD Ready 32inch CRT for 500 squids

DougEdey · 5th Sep 2006, 12:26

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Originally Posted by Garside

Well the implication is Toshiba release their new player two days before Sony's PS3. Toshiba don't want to go head to head with Sony, my assumption is therefore, that Microsoft is possibly pulling the strings...

Toshiba already have Blu ray players out don't they?

Maybe they are going against Sony themselves as they are pissed off with Sony stealing the lasers.

Garside · 5th Sep 2006, 12:42

Toshiba has blu-ray players? I couldn't find anything on the net, I found this article on The Register where they slammed Blu-Ray.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05...ams_hd_claims/

riggs · 5th Sep 2006, 12:47

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Why would anyone pay for an HD DVD player when you can get a Playstation 3 with a Blu-Ray drive for almost the same price?

Thing is, and I'm sure many bit forum readers have the same opinion, the PS3 is a games console first, movie player second. If the PS2 DVD playback quality is anything to go by, the PS3 will be an awful video player - I mean, it's $400 less than a standalone BR player, you'd think they must've used cheaper components?

If anything, consumers should be comparing a standalone HD-DVD player @ £400, to a standalone BR player at £1000.
For anyone serious about image quality, the PS3 shouldn't even be considered yet, since we know nothing about its video playback capabilities.

I, for one, will be buying neither HD-DVD or BR. I don't own a HD TV (not worth it), don't care about having the latest and greatest equipment, nor do I believe that the 2 formats can co-exist. I'd much rather wait and see which format wins the war than be an early adopter and risk 'wasting' a bucketload of cash.

DXR_13KE · 5th Sep 2006, 12:47

it is to little to late, two days before BRD is to late to make any dent in the BRD sales.

atanum141 · 5th Sep 2006, 12:56

just wondering, will Bit-tech review any of the Blu-ray and Hd-DVD hardware? like the first set's of boxes from both sides and including reviews of the movies compared to the dvd versions?

DougEdey · 5th Sep 2006, 13:04

Rechecked it, I read an article from Dailytech which said about the Toshiba player but it turned out that they meant it to be a Pioneer one. Whoopsie.

Anyway, Toshiba were rumoured to have planned a Hybrid remember? And they had to quash that.

DarkSurge · 5th Sep 2006, 13:18

what about the fact Toshiba are selling the player at a loss? there have been plenty of reports on the web about it and since when does Microsoft tell Toshiba what to do.

Djpuk · 5th Sep 2006, 13:52

With Microsoft backing HD-DVD so heavily you know it will gain some traction but even with this player at £400 it is not enough to shift me from the idea of buying a PS3 with Blueray that can do a dual role for the same price.

I agree with riggs that if PS2 is anything to go by then don't hold your breath for the PS3 being a great Blue Ray movie player but the economics of it surely make it a no brainer to go for a PS3 and Blueray over separate devices or adding a drive to your Xbox?

I mean how much space do you have under your TV to fill anyway?

Cthippo · 5th Sep 2006, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Garside

Well the implication is Toshiba release their new player two days before Sony's PS3. Toshiba don't want to go head to head with Sony, my assumption is therefore, that Microsoft is possibly pulling the strings...

Yes, but that's not what the article, or at least the title, says. Supposition is fine, but in the end this is a news item about a Toshiba product and MS shouldn't be mentioned in the subject because they MIGHT have had somthing to do with it.

Temet Nosce · 5th Sep 2006, 14:34

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Why would anyone pay for an HD DVD player when you can get a Playstation 3 with a Blu-Ray drive for almost the same price?

That is a good point, but a rather weak one aswell.. lets not forget that a Playstation 3 will surely be very hard to come across, especially before christmas, with only 2million units being available worldwide at launch. I can see them being in very high demand, and if you must have a next gen movie player before/for christmas and cant get your mucky mitts on a PS3 then the HD DVD player sounds like a pretty good buy.

Spacecowboy92 · 5th Sep 2006, 15:17

I'm guessing soon will be a good time to buy a cheap dvd player.

BioSniper · 5th Sep 2006, 15:25

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Originally Posted by Spacecowboy92

I'm guessing soon will be a good time to buy a cheap dvd player.

And a £20 player from Asda isn't cheap enough already?

Firehed · 5th Sep 2006, 16:12

While I won't touch either player for... umm... quite a long time, I'd pay EXTRA for the hd-dvd simply so none of my money goes to Sony.

That aside, the image quality of the two should be the same, seeing that they both have 1080p video on the disc. Of course, none of the current HD-DVD players output above 1080i, but the progressive scan source material is there for when the players arrive. And by then, they'll be relatively cheap I'll bet.

Sinner666 · 5th Sep 2006, 16:35

Useless to anyone with a SD TV.

I'll wait till I can get a HD/BR player for $99 and HD/BR movies for $15-$20. Thats considering I've moved to an HD set by then.

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5th Sep 2006, 11:47	#3
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Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 4,456	What does this have to do with MS? The article is about a Toshiba drive being released days before the PoS3, or am I missing somthing here? Either way, too little too late. __________________ Notice: If we see you flaming we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate measures - The Bit-Tech Fire Brigade.

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5th Sep 2006, 12:16	#5
Garside Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 395	Well the implication is Toshiba release their new player two days before Sony's PS3. Toshiba don't want to go head to head with Sony, my assumption is therefore, that Microsoft is possibly pulling the strings...

5th Sep 2006, 12:42	#8
Garside Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 395	Toshiba has blu-ray players? I couldn't find anything on the net, I found this article on The Register where they slammed Blu-Ray. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05...ams_hd_claims/

5th Sep 2006, 12:56	#11
atanum141 I fapped to your post! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 7,536	just wondering, will Bit-tech review any of the Blu-ray and Hd-DVD hardware? like the first set's of boxes from both sides and including reviews of the movies compared to the dvd versions? __________________ Welcome to Thunderdome, B*tch XBL: atanum141

5th Sep 2006, 13:04	#12
DougEdey I pwn all your storage Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 13,933	Rechecked it, I read an article from Dailytech which said about the Toshiba player but it turned out that they meant it to be a Pioneer one. Whoopsie. Anyway, Toshiba were rumoured to have planned a Hybrid remember? And they had to quash that. __________________ Burnout: Paradise Stats!XBL: DougEdey Bindi PSN ID: DougEdey Twitter

5th Sep 2006, 13:18	#13
DarkSurge What's a Dremel? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: uk wales Posts: 2	what about the fact Toshiba are selling the player at a loss? there have been plenty of reports on the web about it and since when does Microsoft tell Toshiba what to do.

5th Sep 2006, 13:52	#14
Djpuk Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Near Ipswich Posts: 93	With Microsoft backing HD-DVD so heavily you know it will gain some traction but even with this player at £400 it is not enough to shift me from the idea of buying a PS3 with Blueray that can do a dual role for the same price. I agree with riggs that if PS2 is anything to go by then don't hold your breath for the PS3 being a great Blue Ray movie player but the economics of it surely make it a no brainer to go for a PS3 and Blueray over separate devices or adding a drive to your Xbox? I mean how much space do you have under your TV to fill anyway? __________________ I wish I hadn't said that!

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5th Sep 2006, 16:12	#19
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	While I won't touch either player for... umm... quite a long time, I'd pay EXTRA for the hd-dvd simply so none of my money goes to Sony. That aside, the image quality of the two should be the same, seeing that they both have 1080p video on the disc. Of course, none of the current HD-DVD players output above 1080i, but the progressive scan source material is there for when the players arrive. And by then, they'll be relatively cheap I'll bet. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

5th Sep 2006, 16:35	#20
Sinner666 Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 101	Useless to anyone with a SD TV. I'll wait till I can get a HD/BR player for $99 and HD/BR movies for $15-$20. Thats considering I've moved to an HD set by then. __________________ I less than three you.