NVIDIA's G80 will be a little late... - bit-tech.net Forums

Da Dego · 13th Sep 2006, 15:41

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/09...a_little_late/

r4tch3t · 13th Sep 2006, 16:09

So are these going to sell out every winter instead of heaters now?

DXR_13KE · 13th Sep 2006, 16:24

"It is being tossed about that the card will require its own power supply"

no f**king way!!!!! i wont get one. seriously i wont, even if they are the best.

BFGunrunner · 13th Sep 2006, 16:41

I hear you'll need a 700 Watt power suply for the G80. I remeber when the 6800 Ultras came out they needed 450 watts min and at that time that was insane.

M4RTIN · 13th Sep 2006, 16:45

how can they blame vista for the power requirements.. i dont believe aero is going to be that bad unless its horribly coded, it does little more than osx's flashy whatnots and that runs on an fx card.

i wonder if they mean a full on internal psu or a small external one like that dual 7800 that some company made. cant think of the name now. either way i think thats the wrong way to go, why not aim for low power consumption.

Omnituens · 13th Sep 2006, 16:57

i was planning on getting 900W for my next system anyway.... but then i decided to wait for DX10, vista and next gen AMD/Intel/ati/NV stuff before i do anything

my old barton/GF6600GT are still ploding along for now.

zr_ox · 13th Sep 2006, 18:05

I'm sure they mean that it will require some kind of DC powersupply.

jjsyht · 13th Sep 2006, 18:20

I suppose since the MegaHertz war is over, the MegaWatt one is on.
How stupid....

Kipman725 · 13th Sep 2006, 18:53

wow... definatly not getting one of those if they need a power brick. I don't think graphics cards should even need more than the 75W the PCI-E slot can provide. If these cards need external PSU's there power consumption must be massive and so the amount of heat there putting out. Considering it's hard enough to cool two 7900gtx using air, does this mean they will be shipping water cooling as standard? or just artic cooler style things with fast spinning fans?

dire_wolf · 13th Sep 2006, 19:24

didn't we see this external power source nonsense on the later voodoo cards years ago? it'll soon sort itself out

riggs · 13th Sep 2006, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Kipman725

artic cooler style things with fast spinning fans?

Well, if that is the case, they'll sound like jet engines.

Tim S · 13th Sep 2006, 19:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by dire_wolf

didn't we see this external power source nonsense on the later voodoo cards years ago? it'll soon sort itself out

yes, Voodoo 5 6000 had an external power brick IIRC.

img · 13th Sep 2006, 19:48

if they said a 6800 ultra needed 450w i run my 68000gt at ultra speeds with conroe now and load of other gear on 350watt without problem. quality 350w though

Speedo · 13th Sep 2006, 20:17

I seem to remember dedicated 300w PSUs being shown that fit in a 5.25" drive bay just for graphics cards.. but I can't remember what show it was at. Either way it's ridiculous.

Give me graphics power with low heat and no noise! The noise of this 6800GT stock fan drives me up the wall and as a result I hardly turn the offending machine on. My main consideration when building a new computer is low noise, then performance. If a 7900GTX, or an X1900XTX was near silent, i'd buy one! As it is i'm still unsure about buying an X1900GT as I don't know if the noise will be bearable..

Oh, and Aero looks lovely. It is however running perfectly on this laptop equipped with GeForce Go 7400 + Turbocache, so how on earth can they claim a portable furnace will be required?

Tyinsar · 13th Sep 2006, 20:24

So the G80 will be a room heater like the P4? - Imagine the G80 with a P4EE, who needs a furnace, just get a 1000W PSU and turn up the graphics detail.

Tyinsar · 13th Sep 2006, 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedo

I seem to remember dedicated 300w PSUs being shown that fit in a 5.25" drive bay just for graphics cards.. but I can't remember what show it was at. Either way it's ridiculous....

like this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedo

...Give me graphics power with low heat and no noise!....

Oh, and Aero looks lovely. It is however running perfectly on this laptop equipped with GeForce Go 7400 + Turbocache...

I second that & I'm glad to hear the last point.

yahooadam · 13th Sep 2006, 21:41

so is this thing supposed to be DX10 or what ?

and what damage to your wallet will it do, cost and power wise

Speedo · 13th Sep 2006, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Tyinsar

like this?

Yeah that's the kind of thing

. I seem to remember it being specifically aimed at 'next generation GPUs', though obviously the power supplies got here first.

I forsee Shuttles becoming the next generation intelligent hobs. Want to fry that egg? Load up 3DMark2007! Entertainment whilst you cook! Why wait 'til it's time to eat?

Ringold · 13th Sep 2006, 22:26

I was planning on at least 750 quality watts for my next build early next year, as much as 1kw if prices are a little lower by then.. so this is no surprise.

They really, really can't pin it on Vista/Aero though.. sounds nice to pin it on MS, but in the real world, my X800XL doesn't glow just trying to render the boot screen.

Regarding the heat... Ya'll need to learn, and learn to love, water. =) I like silence in my tiny office here, so I've had a block on my CPU GPU (northbridge passively cooled and 120mm fan blowing silently over all of it, nearly-silent Seasonic psu) hooked up to a Reserator. Only thing I hear, ever, is the hard drive when it gets heavily used. So, so sweet. Horrible for LAN parties, sweet for the office. Their newer version looks better though, saw it mentioned in a review of some trade show not too long ago but it isn't out yet. Could also probably achieve near-silence with an internally mounted system, a pair of 120mm fans, one perhaps on the radiator, the other pulling or pushing air in or out, or something like that.

K404 · 13th Sep 2006, 22:29

Time for some coding overhaul and new architecture. Despite the lower tech node, they`re just adding on more pipes and shaders instead of making the actual working of the card better.

175W rumoured for the G80 (PCI-E and plug so I hear) Thats stock.

AMD CPU at 35W. NV and ATI need to learn from CPU makers. Maybe ATI wil learn faster?

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M4RTIN Ultramodder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,257	how can they blame vista for the power requirements.. i dont believe aero is going to be that bad unless its horribly coded, it does little more than osx's flashy whatnots and that runs on an fx card. i wonder if they mean a full on internal psu or a small external one like that dual 7800 that some company made. cant think of the name now. either way i think thats the wrong way to go, why not aim for low power consumption.

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Omnituens Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stockport Posts: 405	i was planning on getting 900W for my next system anyway.... but then i decided to wait for DX10, vista and next gen AMD/Intel/ati/NV stuff before i do anything my old barton/GF6600GT are still ploding along for now.

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13th Sep 2006, 19:48	#13
img Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 113	if they said a 6800 ultra needed 450w i run my 68000gt at ultra speeds with conroe now and load of other gear on 350watt without problem. quality 350w though

13th Sep 2006, 20:17	#14
Speedo Minimodder Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Warwickshire, UK Posts: 46	I seem to remember dedicated 300w PSUs being shown that fit in a 5.25" drive bay just for graphics cards.. but I can't remember what show it was at. Either way it's ridiculous. Give me graphics power with low heat and no noise! The noise of this 6800GT stock fan drives me up the wall and as a result I hardly turn the offending machine on. My main consideration when building a new computer is low noise, then performance. If a 7900GTX, or an X1900XTX was near silent, i'd buy one! As it is i'm still unsure about buying an X1900GT as I don't know if the noise will be bearable.. Oh, and Aero looks lovely. It is however running perfectly on this laptop equipped with GeForce Go 7400 + Turbocache, so how on earth can they claim a portable furnace will be required?

13th Sep 2006, 20:24	#15
Tyinsar 6 screens / 1 card Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: AB.CA Posts: 2,005	So the G80 will be a room heater like the P4? - Imagine the G80 with a P4EE, who needs a furnace, just get a 1000W PSU and turn up the graphics detail. __________________ It's not about how life treats you, it's about how you treat life.

13th Sep 2006, 21:41	#17
yahooadam Ultra csavarkulcs Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,323	so is this thing supposed to be DX10 or what ? and what damage to your wallet will it do, cost and power wise

13th Sep 2006, 22:26	#19
Ringold Minimodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 48	I was planning on at least 750 quality watts for my next build early next year, as much as 1kw if prices are a little lower by then.. so this is no surprise. They really, really can't pin it on Vista/Aero though.. sounds nice to pin it on MS, but in the real world, my X800XL doesn't glow just trying to render the boot screen. Regarding the heat... Ya'll need to learn, and learn to love, water. =) I like silence in my tiny office here, so I've had a block on my CPU GPU (northbridge passively cooled and 120mm fan blowing silently over all of it, nearly-silent Seasonic psu) hooked up to a Reserator. Only thing I hear, ever, is the hard drive when it gets heavily used. So, so sweet. Horrible for LAN parties, sweet for the office. Their newer version looks better though, saw it mentioned in a review of some trade show not too long ago but it isn't out yet. Could also probably achieve near-silence with an internally mounted system, a pair of 120mm fans, one perhaps on the radiator, the other pulling or pushing air in or out, or something like that.

13th Sep 2006, 22:29	#20
K404 Minimodder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Glasgow UK Posts: 22	Time for some coding overhaul and new architecture. Despite the lower tech node, they`re just adding on more pipes and shaders instead of making the actual working of the card better. 175W rumoured for the G80 (PCI-E and plug so I hear) Thats stock. AMD CPU at 35W. NV and ATI need to learn from CPU makers. Maybe ATI wil learn faster?