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WilHarris · 2nd Oct 2006, 12:09

http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2006...desktop/1.html

Lazlow · 2nd Oct 2006, 13:09

Nice article and I'm definately looking forward to trying out AMT myself, as it could save me countless hours each week.

Cthippo · 2nd Oct 2006, 13:26

What's the keep the AMT technology from being accessed remotely by a nefarious website? I can see this bieng left in it's default setting by clueless home users and being used to really screw up computers in new and exciting ways. I'm sure Intel has given this some thought, but have they said anything about it?

Nature · 2nd Oct 2006, 13:26

Interesting....

Firehed · 2nd Oct 2006, 17:38

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Originally Posted by Cthippo

What's the keep the AMT technology from being accessed remotely by a nefarious website? I can see this bieng left in it's default setting by clueless home users and being used to really screw up computers in new and exciting ways. I'm sure Intel has given this some thought, but have they said anything about it?

Sounds vaguely like that Blue Pill hack that could have basically been the worst security flaw in known history...

g3n3tiX · 2nd Oct 2006, 19:24

We now know what's in the guts of the gaming server....CLOVERTOWN !!
lol nice...scheduled for early 2007 !
nice deal with intel !

Woodstock · 3rd Oct 2006, 00:14

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Originally Posted by g3n3tiX

We now know what's in the guts of the gaming server....CLOVERTOWN !!
lol nice...scheduled for early 2007 !
nice deal with intel !

Thought we were not meant to that yet... Thou i thought it was a quad core processor.

DarkReaper · 3rd Oct 2006, 00:19

They said they couldn't tell us until the IDF, which has happened - so now we know!

No big suprise though really guys

Woodstock · 3rd Oct 2006, 00:33

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Originally Posted by DarkReaper

They said they couldn't tell us until the IDF, which has happened - so now we know!

No big suprise though really guys

Aight nice and subtle way of saying it then...
With the AMT could it be possible to run an older version of windows (95/98) to run some older games incompatible with XP and probably the same again with Vista.

Aankhen · 3rd Oct 2006, 02:00

I've been excited about hardware virtualization technology for a while now. AMT doesn't really have the same effect on me, though... maybe I need to actually see it in action, and have my fears allayed on the security side?

GrahamC · 3rd Oct 2006, 09:00

All sound very interesting, on the VM side wonder what will happen if/when running multi os on one system becomes the norm... thinking Microsoft/Apple EUL.

cebla · 3rd Oct 2006, 11:45

Why would you run 8 game servers each in a different VM when you could just run 8 instances in the one install anyway? Surely there wouldn't be any speed improvements.

Splynncryth · 3rd Oct 2006, 21:10

Looking at that server, is it the s5000PAL? (I think I have the right model number)
What has been the opinon at Bit about it so far?

Retrograde · 3rd Oct 2006, 21:11

Smashing article Will, definitely excited about VT, it would speed my change to full linux up greatly.

WilHarris · 4th Oct 2006, 09:34

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Originally Posted by cebla

Why would you run 8 game servers each in a different VM when you could just run 8 instances in the one install anyway? Surely there wouldn't be any speed improvements.

Because we can

Blademrk · 4th Oct 2006, 15:51

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Originally Posted by Woodstock

With the AMT could it be possible to run an older version of windows (95/98) to run some older games incompatible with XP and probably the same again with Vista.

Not with AMT, but with VM it sounds like it should be possible

Splynncryth · 5th Oct 2006, 05:19

Last time I read about iAMT, it was in the same articel as EFI. Does iAMT requite EFI, or is it more BIOS/firmware independant a bit like IPMI?

airchie · 6th Oct 2006, 10:35

One part of the article got me thinking.

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Simply put, AMT could make the life of the technical troubleshooter a heck of a lot easier, and the life of a consumer a heck of a lot simpler.

I can see this creating an even bigger divide between those in the know and those who aren't.
As it is, most generic (ie clueless) PC users manage to break PCs in ever more ingenious ways yet if all they have to do is sit back while someone remotely fixes their screwup, they're going to be less inclined to try to not mess up or learn what the problem is.

The largest security vulnerability in any large network is the users.
The only way I see to cure this is education.

Virtualisation could cause users to care even less and hence cause even more issues?

Then again, the thought of a fresh OS install every time you double-click a file sounds like it could be very helpful too...

Cthippo · 6th Oct 2006, 11:05

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Originally Posted by airchie

The largest security vulnerability in any large network is the users. The only way I see to cure this is education.

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Originally Posted by Nexxo

Eugenics, you know it makes sense

Aankhen · 7th Oct 2006, 19:39

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Originally Posted by cebla

Why would you run 8 game servers each in a different VM when you could just run 8 instances in the one install anyway? Surely there wouldn't be any speed improvements.

Well, aside from "because they can", it also helps to compartmentalise each server so that a problem with one game server only affects that particular VM, rather than causing every server to crash and burn.

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GrahamC Minimodder Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 26	All sound very interesting, on the VM side wonder what will happen if/when running multi os on one system becomes the norm... thinking Microsoft/Apple EUL.

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Retrograde What's a Dremel? Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 4	Smashing article Will, definitely excited about VT, it would speed my change to full linux up greatly.

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Splynncryth 0x665E3FF6,0x46CC,... Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,390	Last time I read about iAMT, it was in the same articel as EFI. Does iAMT requite EFI, or is it more BIOS/firmware independant a bit like IPMI?