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Garside · 4th Oct 2006, 17:48

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10...be_70_smaller/

DougEdey · 4th Oct 2006, 17:50

If this works, they can easily whack it onto consoles, I'll be veeery happy.

g3n3tiX · 4th Oct 2006, 17:58

finally {if news == 'not hoax' then content:=content*10; endif; }
forget this spellng, I'm not sure of the exact way of typing it.

The_Pope · 4th Oct 2006, 18:01

Smaller on my hard drive, quicker to install from DVD... I was thinking this would be perfect for next-gen consoles but then again, I imagine all the extra capacity of Blu-ray is for video files.

Then again, smaller textures on the disc would presumably use less VRAM, which is ALWAYS a good thing in a console (as any PS2 owner can attest)

Fatboy · 4th Oct 2006, 18:12

Smaller textures = less RAM requirements for PC games?

If so then ill hold on upgrading to 2Gb

WEll game installs are obscenely huge for someone who cant keep splashing out on HDD's and if it were to speed up load times then all the better!

Swafeman · 4th Oct 2006, 18:20

so a 50gb blu ray disk is no longer needed, im sure with 70% reduction most even next gen games can fit on dvds

nice one sony

supermonkey · 4th Oct 2006, 18:22

The company name in the link is misspelled.

Interesting news. If the textures' file sizes are smaller, would that mean that uber-video cards wouldn't be necessary to play the new games with higher detail? Or do I have that completely wrong?

-monkey

olly_lewis · 4th Oct 2006, 18:30

I very much doubt that there sizes will be reduced 70%, more like 40%-50% reduction over the next few years, but even so its going to be a great tool, if it is implemented correctly and taken up by a large enough sector of the gaming industry...

DXR_13KE · 4th Oct 2006, 18:32

i hope the industry uses this.

Kipman725 · 4th Oct 2006, 18:33

any details on how it works?

metarinka · 4th Oct 2006, 19:15

yah I'm curious to the mechanics of this compression or storage algorithem. Would this add significant overhead in terms of processing the images, will current graphics cards be able to render them? (seems to be the case). I'm still a little bit confused so this is a compression format, can the compression be carried through the render process? or is it just for saving disk space

if it can be carried through the whole rendering process than either A) games could run on less hardware or have smaller footprints etc, or B) games could have much higher quality textures and more textures for the same hardware.

I'm still a tad bit confused

MrWillyWonka · 4th Oct 2006, 19:26

If some sort of lossless compression is used, wouldn't this mean that more CPU power is required? Or is there some other techique used where no extra processing power is requried?

Basically, how does it work

Herbicide · 4th Oct 2006, 19:35

This seems to use procedural texturing, like with .kkreiger. Small file size but it demanded a top notch machine (at it's release).

- H.

ch424 · 4th Oct 2006, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by olly_lewis

I very much doubt that there sizes will be reduced 70%, more like 40%-50% reduction over the next few years

And this is based on your experience from the PhD you did in image compression, I presume?

Maybe it works in the same way as this 96KiB game? Just a thought.
Edit: Damn, beaten to it!

ch424

Garside · 4th Oct 2006, 19:58

I'm going to have to tell them to get a new name, allegorithmic doesn't really roll off the tongue.

supermonkey · 4th Oct 2006, 20:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garside

I'm going to have to tell them to get a new name, allegorithmic doesn't really roll off the tongue.

LOL. Yeah, I had to read that name 5 or 6 times because it looks so confusing.

-monkey

Tyinsar · 4th Oct 2006, 20:26

To me this sounds a lot like when mpeg4 / divx / xvid came out: smaller file sizes, faster transfer, BUT more CPU power needed (though in this case it may be more GPU power needed). I wonder how long before Intel buys / clones this - They have the CPU power but not the bandwidth of AMD.

specofdust · 4th Oct 2006, 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garside

I'm going to have to tell them to get a new name, allegorithmic doesn't really roll off the tongue.

If it's pronoucned al-le-gor-ith-mic then personally I reckon it's quite a cool name, don't imagine that'd be an issue for 'em.

DougEdey · 4th Oct 2006, 20:42

not hard to pronounce at all. Just an extra syllable to algorthimic

ChromeX · 4th Oct 2006, 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herbicide

This seems to use procedural texturing, like with .kkreiger. Small file size but it demanded a top notch machine (at it's release).

- H.

Yeah I was gonna mention that, the textures in that game are excellent, nevermind the fact the exe is tiny!!

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The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	Smaller on my hard drive, quicker to install from DVD... I was thinking this would be perfect for next-gen consoles but then again, I imagine all the extra capacity of Blu-ray is for video files. Then again, smaller textures on the disc would presumably use less VRAM, which is ALWAYS a good thing in a console (as any PS2 owner can attest)

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supermonkey Space Monkey Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 2,699	The company name in the link is misspelled. Interesting news. If the textures' file sizes are smaller, would that mean that uber-video cards wouldn't be necessary to play the new games with higher detail? Or do I have that completely wrong? -monkey __________________ But of bliss and of glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song. -J.R.R. Tolkien, The Silmarillion

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metarinka I am a Dremel Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,619	yah I'm curious to the mechanics of this compression or storage algorithem. Would this add significant overhead in terms of processing the images, will current graphics cards be able to render them? (seems to be the case). I'm still a little bit confused so this is a compression format, can the compression be carried through the render process? or is it just for saving disk space if it can be carried through the whole rendering process than either A) games could run on less hardware or have smaller footprints etc, or B) games could have much higher quality textures and more textures for the same hardware. I'm still a tad bit confused __________________ project: Orbitoid project: Orbitoid discussion Project: Angry-9 the WWII radio

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