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WilHarris · 5th Oct 2006, 10:36

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2006/10...the_Fro/1.html

Please keep this discussion to technology, rather than political policy.

r4tch3t · 5th Oct 2006, 12:23

[eurl=www.youtube.com]YouTube[/eurl] tag soesn't work on page one.

Nature · 5th Oct 2006, 12:23

"This article is not about politics"

I showed this to my proffessor and some fellow poly-sci mates and we think it is.

International freedom of speech, limitless instant communication, a militarized presence in the fastest growing technological freeway the world has ever witnessed, and porno's are very political subjects I can assure anyone.

Are not technology and politics deeply affected by each other?

With that being said, I will stfu now...

Techno-Dann · 5th Oct 2006, 15:05

I think the intention of those comments was to keep this from becoming another OMGAmericaSUX thread.

That said, governments and other groups are starting to realize that the internet is just as real a field of combat as anywhere else, but the weapons of choice are words and pictures, and the "ground" that's held is public opinion...

Trial by public opinion... May the best spin-doctors win.

specofdust · 5th Oct 2006, 15:15

Can we have click for big pictures please so we can read the legend on image 2?

Hovis · 5th Oct 2006, 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Techno-Dann

I think the intention of those comments was to keep this from becoming another OMGAmericaSUX thread.

That said, governments and other groups are starting to realize that the internet is just as real a field of combat as anywhere else, but the weapons of choice are words and pictures, and the "ground" that's held is public opinion...

Trial by public opinion... May the best spin-doctors win.

That's just the start. Spin Doctors and stuff are what we're getting now. But when the US policy states they want 'military competency' that doesn't mean they want to be able to post "ZOMG U SUCK" on any board they like. It means denial of service attacks, it means viruses, it means tracking emails, tracing IPs, and backing all that up with bombs. 'Military Competency' is a very vague term but the meaning behind it is the capability to fight, win and dominate a given spectrum of conflict.

That's not to say I'm judging the US policy as being wrong or evil. I don't like it, just like I don't like the idea of living next door to an air base, but such is life. Given how the world works the US stance is completely understandable. This is the 21st century, billions of dollars in transactions and billions of dollars worth of data is piped through the internet every day. It's like an electronic Panama Canal and it's a vital economic and communications asset, that makes it a target and that, in years to come, will very possibly make it a battleground.

l.moore · 5th Oct 2006, 16:34

I have been looking at this site for a long time. I am not a modder but I really enjoy most of the articles on this site. I have finally signed up just to say one thing.

What a fantastic Article. - Thank you.

HandMadeAndroid · 5th Oct 2006, 16:42

I dont see it as the new frontier information super highway, the internet is 21st century television, another prison without bars

Wrigley1 · 6th Oct 2006, 02:10

I really would like to read the captions on the second image as well, if zoomy images could be added. Maps fascinate me.

Pegasus · 6th Oct 2006, 06:27

First of all - great article!

Though the call is for technological comments, I feel compelled to first utter a few thoughts of attitude

- Any kind of technology can be used for good or for bad. How a society will use a technology is dependant on what is the hearts of the people (and their leaders).

- Democracy may be the slowest kind of government, but so far it has proven to be the least disruptive kind of government – as long as "We the people" need to keep an eye on all and any advances in technology, and especially how that technology is used.

- I find it to be a bit of a paradox that a "Department of Defence" paper puts a lot of emphasis on the offensive strategies rather than the defensive strategies. But then again, any footballer knows that the best defence is an offence - but is this really the attitude one expects from a Defence department. Should the department not be renamed to what it really seems to be all about: "The Department of Military power".

- Some say that business is war. That one can only survive with a business if one treats every competitor as an enemy, and every costumer as a hostage.
However I seem to remember strong arguments to support the “win-win” attitude in the bestseller “Seven Habits of Highly Effective People”.

So the technological question must be: What can and will “we the people” do, to ensure that access to information, technology and intellectual property stays open, respected and accessible to every man – while still maintaining individual rights to make an honest living?

As only one man - I think I’ll keep reading, writing and pondering. And then do whatever I find necessary to make sure that my neighbour supports the notion that his and my children alike - can and may - also read, write and think
- and keep modding

all aspects of life.

Cthippo · 6th Oct 2006, 11:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pegasus

So the technological question must be: What can and will “we the people” do, to ensure that access to information, technology and intellectual property stays open, respected and accessible to every man – while still maintaining individual rights to make an honest living?

I know what most of them will do. Say "Meh, it's complicated computer stuff about the pipes again" and go watch Survivor on the idiot box.

Democracy only works as well as the citizens who support it, and that's how we came to be where we are now.

I also wanted to thank the staff for this article. The more we can bring governement monitoring of the web into the light, the more likley we are to put an end to it.

G-gnome · 6th Oct 2006, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by l.moore

I have been looking at this site for a long time. I am not a modder but I really enjoy most of the articles on this site. I have finally signed up just to say one thing.

What a fantastic Article. - Thank you.

Welcome to the forums l.moore! Thanks for your comment and glad you liked the article. I found it interesting also (I've been humming 'Amarillo' for the last 2 days now - seriously!

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5th Oct 2006, 10:36	#1
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5th Oct 2006, 12:23	#3
Nature Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jinan, China Posts: 417	"This article is not about politics" I showed this to my proffessor and some fellow poly-sci mates and we think it is. International freedom of speech, limitless instant communication, a militarized presence in the fastest growing technological freeway the world has ever witnessed, and porno's are very political subjects I can assure anyone. Are not technology and politics deeply affected by each other? With that being said, I will stfu now... __________________ Peace, Love, Empathy, Respect, Generosity, Smiles, and Hugs

5th Oct 2006, 15:05	#4
Techno-Dann Disgruntled kumquat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pullman WA, USA Posts: 1,571	I think the intention of those comments was to keep this from becoming another OMGAmericaSUX thread. That said, governments and other groups are starting to realize that the internet is just as real a field of combat as anywhere else, but the weapons of choice are words and pictures, and the "ground" that's held is public opinion... Trial by public opinion... May the best spin-doctors win. __________________ The intellitxt demon fell dead, Sir Tim's lance embedded in its heart. The fair land of Bit-Tech was free from its influence once more. And there was much rejoicing.

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specofdust Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 7,607	Can we have click for big pictures please so we can read the legend on image 2? __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Mmm bop!

5th Oct 2006, 16:34	#7
l.moore What's a Dremel? Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7	I have been looking at this site for a long time. I am not a modder but I really enjoy most of the articles on this site. I have finally signed up just to say one thing. What a fantastic Article. - Thank you.

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HandMadeAndroid Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newcastle Posts: 124	I dont see it as the new frontier information super highway, the internet is 21st century television, another prison without bars __________________ Give them cake

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Wrigley1 Supermodder Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA Posts: 275	I really would like to read the captions on the second image as well, if zoomy images could be added. Maps fascinate me. __________________ SHAZAM!

6th Oct 2006, 06:27	#10
Pegasus Multimodder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 110	First of all - great article! Though the call is for technological comments, I feel compelled to first utter a few thoughts of attitude - Any kind of technology can be used for good or for bad. How a society will use a technology is dependant on what is the hearts of the people (and their leaders). - Democracy may be the slowest kind of government, but so far it has proven to be the least disruptive kind of government – as long as "We the people" need to keep an eye on all and any advances in technology, and especially how that technology is used. - I find it to be a bit of a paradox that a "Department of Defence" paper puts a lot of emphasis on the offensive strategies rather than the defensive strategies. But then again, any footballer knows that the best defence is an offence - but is this really the attitude one expects from a Defence department. Should the department not be renamed to what it really seems to be all about: "The Department of Military power". - Some say that business is war. That one can only survive with a business if one treats every competitor as an enemy, and every costumer as a hostage. However I seem to remember strong arguments to support the “win-win” attitude in the bestseller “Seven Habits of Highly Effective People”. So the technological question must be: What can and will “we the people” do, to ensure that access to information, technology and intellectual property stays open, respected and accessible to every man – while still maintaining individual rights to make an honest living? As only one man - I think I’ll keep reading, writing and pondering. And then do whatever I find necessary to make sure that my neighbour supports the notion that his and my children alike - can and may - also read, write and think - and keep modding all aspects of life.