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Tim S · 25th Oct 2006, 18:43

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10...ction_cracked/

pman · 25th Oct 2006, 18:50

He didn't actually reverse engineer it. He wrote it from scratch to mimic the way FairPlay works, thus making iPods read it etc. It's entirely legal in other words.

Tim S · 25th Oct 2006, 18:53

Monique also said: "What he did was basically reverse-engineer FairPlay"

AlexB · 25th Oct 2006, 19:38

Sounds good. Nice work.

Warrior_Rocker · 25th Oct 2006, 19:53

I guess this is not an entirely black or white hat operation. So tip your grey to johansen.

We are all quite sick of companies making software and other devices proprietary or for use only with certified products.

DreamTheEndless · 25th Oct 2006, 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by pman

He didn't actually reverse engineer it. He wrote it from scratch to mimic the way FairPlay works, thus making iPods read it etc. It's entirely legal in other words.

He did actually Reverse Engineer it -

And, it is entirely legal to reverse engineer software if you do it in the correct manor. (If you've ever seen source code for a product, you are no longer able to reverse engineer that product, but if you look at it from the outside to figure out what it does and write new code based on that, that is reverse engineering.)

speedfreek · 25th Oct 2006, 21:49

Other than the fact that its still got DRM I see this as a good thing.

Votey · 25th Oct 2006, 21:56

"We believe we're on good legal ground, and our attorneys have given us the green light on this."

Of course your attorneys gave you the green light to get yourself sued, they get paid by the hour.

Warrior_Rocker · 25th Oct 2006, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Votey

Of course your attorneys gave you the green light to get yourself sued, they get paid by the hour.

LMAO, good point. Finally a way to open up at least some of that 'mac' incompatability.

Firehed · 25th Oct 2006, 22:18

It's a start, but unless it allows me to buy music without DRM attached, I have no interest whatsoever.

Charles1 · 25th Oct 2006, 22:21

yeah but as an intern in a law firm some firms wont charge unless they win the case. Though you are still responsible for any court fees. which round up the 1/3 rule when sueing. you sue for the priciple amount but you add to it then the other third to pay court fees and the other third to pay lawyer. hence 1/3 rule when you sue. back to the point i say good job its time apple gets some stress but its also my opinion and hate apple even though there IPOD's are so slick looking.

DXR_13KE · 25th Oct 2006, 22:30

this is a good thing

Constructacon · 26th Oct 2006, 03:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firehed

It's a start, but unless it allows me to buy music without DRM attached, I have no interest whatsoever.

My thoughts exactly. It'll be good though for the many people who want to use iTunes but would rather have different player.

bloodcar · 26th Oct 2006, 04:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firehed

It's a start, but unless it allows me to buy music at almost the same price and crappier sound quality, I have no interest whatsoever.

Fixed.

Firehed · 26th Oct 2006, 04:27

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Originally Posted by bloodcar

Fixed.

Replace "I" with... anyone else... and maybe. I won't touch iTunes' paid content (or any other non-AllOfMP3 music storE) for that reason.

But I know what you meant

otispunkmeyer · 26th Oct 2006, 09:02

i think this is good, and i dont think its gonna hurt apple

i think itunes is the easiest to use when purchasing tracks, ive bought over 30tracks. but i dont have an ipod. i have a sony 6gb mp3 player (sound quality destroys apples) and at the moment im burning my new songs to cd then ripping them back in sonic stage

it would be very nice to be able to put them straight on my sony, id probably start buying even more songs

quack · 26th Oct 2006, 09:15

Have some people completely misunderstood the point of this?

They aren't stripping Apple's DRM off so you can use downloads from iTunes on other players, they're going to allow other companies to add DoubleTwist's DRM to their tracks so iPod users have somewhere that isn't iTunes to buy music from.

Also... he will also licence his technology to other devices so you can purchase and download from iTunes but play them on something that isn't an iPod.

It'll only hurt Apple in as far as iPod owners aren't restricted ONLY to iTunes, but they'll still be selling iPods... OR they won't sell some people iPods but will still sell them tracks from iTunes. Either way, they make some money.

Rockfan · 4th Dec 2006, 15:26

Here's the perfect tool for DRM'ed audio!

25th Oct 2006, 18:43	#1
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25th Oct 2006, 18:50	#2
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25th Oct 2006, 22:18	#10
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25th Oct 2006, 22:21	#11
Charles1 Minimodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36	yeah but as an intern in a law firm some firms wont charge unless they win the case. Though you are still responsible for any court fees. which round up the 1/3 rule when sueing. you sue for the priciple amount but you add to it then the other third to pay court fees and the other third to pay lawyer. hence 1/3 rule when you sue. back to the point i say good job its time apple gets some stress but its also my opinion and hate apple even though there IPOD's are so slick looking.

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26th Oct 2006, 09:02	#16
otispunkmeyer Multimodder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 142	i think this is good, and i dont think its gonna hurt apple i think itunes is the easiest to use when purchasing tracks, ive bought over 30tracks. but i dont have an ipod. i have a sony 6gb mp3 player (sound quality destroys apples) and at the moment im burning my new songs to cd then ripping them back in sonic stage it would be very nice to be able to put them straight on my sony, id probably start buying even more songs __________________ The Otispunkmeyer Mac Attack: Apple MacBook Pro 15.4 inch, 1440x900 glossy LED back lit display, 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB DDR2 667, 160GB 5400RPM SATA HDD, 8x super multi drive, Nvidia Gefore 8600GT 256MB GDDR3, JBL Radial, Dell Ultrasharp 2005FPW 20.1" WS display, Apple wired aluminium keyboard, Apple wireless mighty mouse.

26th Oct 2006, 09:15	#17
quack \o/ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,220	Have some people completely misunderstood the point of this? They aren't stripping Apple's DRM off so you can use downloads from iTunes on other players, they're going to allow other companies to add DoubleTwist's DRM to their tracks so iPod users have somewhere that isn't iTunes to buy music from. Also... he will also licence his technology to other devices so you can purchase and download from iTunes but play them on something that isn't an iPod. It'll only hurt Apple in as far as iPod owners aren't restricted ONLY to iTunes, but they'll still be selling iPods... OR they won't sell some people iPods but will still sell them tracks from iTunes. Either way, they make some money. __________________ Denying Rights to Music lovers. Denying Rights to Movie lovers. Last edited by quack; 26th Oct 2006 at 09:31.

4th Dec 2006, 15:26	#18
Rockfan What's a Dremel? Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2	Here's the perfect tool for DRM'ed audio!