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Garside · 27th Oct 2006, 08:40

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10...Edit_backlash/

JADS · 27th Oct 2006, 08:50

Pah when I was 15/16 I was getting virtual money for hit and runs on grannies, more if I did it with style

BioSniper · 27th Oct 2006, 08:51

Stick an 18 tag on it then?
Seriously. All that's needed is to educate parents a little more as to why games carry tags. 99% of parents wouldn't let their kids go and watch some 18 rated movie so why on earth would they give them a game that's above the correct rating? :/

JADS · 27th Oct 2006, 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by BioSniper

Stick an 18 tag on it then?
Seriously. All that's needed is to educate parents a little more as to why games carry tags. 99% of parents wouldn't let their kids go and watch some 18 rated movie so why on earth would they give them a game that's above the correct rating? :/

Kids are snivelling little gits that ensure their parents capitulate to their demands. After all you can discipline your kids these days because that would be highly illegal.

eddtox · 27th Oct 2006, 09:32

When will the voice of common sense rise up, slap these people and say "CALM DOWN DEAR, IT'S ONLY A GAME!"

-ED OUT

dullonien · 27th Oct 2006, 10:31

I first played the first grand theft auto on the pc when I was in primary school, that would have made me between 8-10. It didn't have any kind of affect on me! Didn't make me want to steal a car and run people over, then continue untill I had the army after me. Do people really think kids are that stupid?

If parents are concerned, then it's up to them to make sure they don't let their kids get their hands on the game. That means checking on them once in a while to see what the hell they are playing, is it that hard???

WILD9 · 27th Oct 2006, 11:23

I wish these people would stop saying that it should be banned because it might find its way into childerens hands, by that logic we should ban 18 rated videos, matches , hot water , beer , kitchen cleaner...... . The issue here isnt the game, its that these naive old idiots still think computer games are childerens toys, they have a legaly enforced age limit ffs, what more can you do.

teabagger · 27th Oct 2006, 11:47

His argument is flawed unless he supports the banning of ALL media that portrays violence in any form: Comics, Film... the list is endless. I suspect he wouldn't, at which point his whole justification comes crashing down.
Just another example of politicians desperately trying to get themselves in the limelight under the pretence of protecting the children when actually they are doing no such thing. Perhaps if they spent their time actually addressing real social issues then we'd all benefit. I don't see that happening any time soon as it's much easier to pump out cheap little populist soundbites rather than working on policies that require real thought and real effort and will make a real difference.

perplekks45 · 27th Oct 2006, 11:50

Embarassing... PC World and Dixons won't stock... sad.
And yea 18 tag on it and done. Give the parents a chance to show they're able to raise a child.

Kipman725 · 27th Oct 2006, 12:54

people have the wrong idea about this game aswell... it's not violent in the main part. Sigh.

teabagger · 27th Oct 2006, 13:29

It's kind of on a par with the fuss that surrounded Train Spotting because it supposedly glorified drug-taking. It would seem fairly obvious that anyone with that view hadn't actually watched the film at all, merely made a load of assumptions and presented them as fact.
But when has sensible, rational debate ever got a politician in the papers? (Except perhaps Jack Straw recently)

konsta · 27th Oct 2006, 16:25

Usually, I'm a firm advocate of the gamer on this issue: only an idiot is seriously going to be convinced by GTA to go and shoot at cars - and they'd have probably done it anyway.
However, I have very mixed feelings about this game. The difference between this and every other violent game is the real closeness to reality. All children are in schools, they see bullying often, and there is a real chance of it affecting them in some way - agressor or victim. I think that this sort of game, where you score on the basis of harm to classmates is easily transferable to the playground, and sends the wrong message to kids.

As for age controls: how many of us saw our first 18 film at the age of 18? Most parents will happily buy something if their child asks for it - the age restrictions on games are CLEARLY not effective. Ask someone who's worked in a shop. The kid comes, you refuse, then the kid returns with parent and cash in hand. Parents don't often see the game play in reality, and as it is a relatively new medium, probably don't think of it in the same way as even a film.

So to summarise: I'm totally in favour of Half-life, GTA and Day of Defeat, because they are not reasonable leaps into reality. But giving school kids the idea of a scoring system based on playground violence? Bad plan.

Lazarus Dark · 27th Oct 2006, 17:37

know whats funny? I wasn't interested in this game until all the controversy. Now finally, after hearing that some stores won't carry it, I MUST get it. congrats to those pantywaists that complained: you just INCREASED the sales of the game. If you'd have stayed quiet no one would have known about the game.

aggies11 · 27th Oct 2006, 18:24

Harry Potter is bullied by Draco Malfoy all the time, and he often fights back, bloodying noses, and in the later novels, much much more.

Yet these books are read by children all the time, often read by parents themselves.

This is just another case of the general media (and general population) being clueless about gaming. They actually have no idea what this game is about, only vague ideas/impressions that are largely innacurate. Of course, this is pretty much true of every major world issue, not just gaming, so it's to be expected.

Aggies

fini · 27th Oct 2006, 19:03

DSG Group (Dixons, Currys, PC World etc) wouldn't stock warriors (IIRC) when it first came out - but started stocking it six months later - they do it for the publicity.

fini

DXR_13KE · 27th Oct 2006, 22:55

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! i play violent games since....... always, and see films that were not for my age at the time...... am i violent? i think not? did they change me? yes, they are my anti-stress after a day of real life, and in games i de-stress so i can continue living in this stressful and ingrate life for at least one more day.

Breach · 28th Oct 2006, 01:14

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Originally Posted by Lazarus Dark

know whats funny? I wasn't interested in this game until all the controversy. Now finally, after hearing that some stores won't carry it, I MUST get it. congrats to those pantywaists that complained: you just INCREASED the sales of the game. If you'd have stayed quiet no one would have known about the game.

Yeah Rockstar has gotten a sh*t ton of free advertising from these idiots.

It is sad and funny to me that these groups try to slam game companies because children are getting a hold of high powered weapons and going on killing sprees. How is it Rockstars fault that people have mal adjusted kids who have easy access to guns because of a lack of good parenting?

No matter though, these cases and calls for bans almost never work, the game industry is pretty untouchable as no one has ever conclusivly proved that violent games cause violent behavior in people, and dont think they havnt tried for the last 15 years.

And just like this, more people will want Bully to see what all the fuss is about just like the GTA series.

Cthippo · 28th Oct 2006, 06:42

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Originally Posted by Reuters

LOS ANGELES/TORONTO - The video game maker that sparked uproar over a hidden sex scene in "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas," is courting new controversy with its latest schoolyard title "Bully" -- featuring boys kissing.

That sexual twist came to light only after Take-Two Interactive Software Inc. (Nasdaq:TTWO - news) released the "Teen"-rated game on October 17, having weathered protests from anti-violence advocates who tried unsuccessfully to block its sale to minors.

"Bully" stars 15-year-old Jimmy Hopkins, who must navigate cliques, fights and young love at his new boarding school, along the way winning brawls, completing missions and plying girls with candy and flowers in exchange for kisses.

But Jimmy can also use the same approach with boys. When Jimmy approaches a tall, blond boy with some flowers, the boy replies: "I'm hot. You're hot. Let's make out."

Gay video game enthusiasts have embraced "Bully" which was was the U.S.'s third top-selling game in the week ending October 27, according to figures from UBS.

"Progress!" wrote one reader of Gaygamer.net, who applauded the move by Take-Two's Rockstar Games studio.

"Hot Gay Coffee," quipped another on the same site, referring to the controversial "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" sex scene that was dubbed "Hot Coffee."

Others, however, were not so enthusiastic.

"I can't have my kids playing this game. This is morally reprehensible. GTA (Grand Theft Auto) is a real man's game, Bully is a disgrace," wrote a poster using the handle spideRRR on GameSpot.com.

RISKY BUSINESS

The inclusion of the explicit sex scene in "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" also had some parents, along with regulators and lawmakers, fuming.

Take-Two was forced to pull that game from store shelves at the cost of millions of dollars to the company because it had not disclosed the existence of the scene.

The "Grand Theft Auto" series has reaped revenue in excess of $1.5 billion, around 30 percent of Take-Two's sales in the period since the first game's debut in 2001, said Michael Pachter, a video game analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities.

In "Bully" the controversial scene was not hidden -- but it also was not advertised to consumers.

The video game industry rating board considered the boy-kissing-boy scenes in "Bully" before assigning it a "Teen" rating, spokesman Eliot Mizrachi said.

A spokesman for Rockstar declined comment.

Brenda Brathwaite, a professor at Savannah College of Art & Design and author of "Sex in Video Games," said gay, lesbian, bi-sexual or transgendered characters are "more and more the norm" on television and that Rockstar is in the vanguard of game makers to include this type of content.

Most video games target a young male audience and focus on shooting, racing or sports. Same-sex displays of affection are largely unexplored, although they are possible in Electronic Arts Inc.'s (Nasdaq:ERTS - news) popular "Sims" titles and in online games like "Second Life."

"It's symbolic that the diversity that's appearing in broader media is making its way to games in a way that's not insulting or necessarily sensationalistic," said Brathwaite.

But Pachter, the analyst, said considering the baggage Take-Two brings to the table after "San Andreas," introducing a homosexual aspect to "Bully" was an unnecessary risk for the company to take.

"It doesn't glorify anything ... Do I think that many parents would have a problem with their kids seeing it? Yes."

Rockstar loves controversey, don't they?

Firehed · 28th Oct 2006, 07:23

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Originally Posted by Cthippo

Rockstar loves controversey, don't they?

Of course they do. It drums up sales like you couldn't imagine.

Having said that, some people are a little to... what's the word... stupid. Not everyone is like you, get over it. If two guys kissing in a video game (almost certainly in a literal 'kiss and make up' sense, not sexual) makes you that uncomfortable, perhaps you're a bit insecure. Eh, whatever, I grew up in a location where you're taught to be accepting of other people and diversity.

Tulatin · 28th Oct 2006, 09:09

Ah, doesn't this just remind you all of how DnD was spreading Satanism in the 80's?

27th Oct 2006, 08:40	#1
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dullonien Master of the unfinished. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lincoln, UK. Posts: 311	I first played the first grand theft auto on the pc when I was in primary school, that would have made me between 8-10. It didn't have any kind of affect on me! Didn't make me want to steal a car and run people over, then continue untill I had the army after me. Do people really think kids are that stupid? If parents are concerned, then it's up to them to make sure they don't let their kids get their hands on the game. That means checking on them once in a while to see what the hell they are playing, is it that hard??? __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q6600 @ 3.0GHz, Abit Fatal1ty F-I90HD (uATX), 4GB Corsair XMS2-6400C4, Sapphire HD4870 Vapour-X 1GB, Hiper 580W Type R, 4.1TB of Seagate Storage, Antec 300 + Lian-Li V300 (Lian-Li to be modded shortly).

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WILD9 Been here aaaaages Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cheltenham, UK Posts: 565	I wish these people would stop saying that it should be banned because it might find its way into childerens hands, by that logic we should ban 18 rated videos, matches , hot water , beer , kitchen cleaner...... . The issue here isnt the game, its that these naive old idiots still think computer games are childerens toys, they have a legaly enforced age limit ffs, what more can you do. __________________ e2180 @ 2700 \| Gigabyte P35C-DS3R \| Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro \| 2GB Crucail Ballistix PC 6400 \| Leadtek 8800 GTS 640 @ 600,1500,1700 \| 320GB Samsung F1 \| Coolermaster 710 \| Samsung 22" 223BW

27th Oct 2006, 09:32	#5
eddtox Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Medway Posts: 345	When will the voice of common sense rise up, slap these people and say "CALM DOWN DEAR, IT'S ONLY A GAME!" -ED OUT

27th Oct 2006, 11:47	#8
teabagger Minimodder Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21	His argument is flawed unless he supports the banning of ALL media that portrays violence in any form: Comics, Film... the list is endless. I suspect he wouldn't, at which point his whole justification comes crashing down. Just another example of politicians desperately trying to get themselves in the limelight under the pretence of protecting the children when actually they are doing no such thing. Perhaps if they spent their time actually addressing real social issues then we'd all benefit. I don't see that happening any time soon as it's much easier to pump out cheap little populist soundbites rather than working on policies that require real thought and real effort and will make a real difference.

27th Oct 2006, 11:50	#9
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,346	Embarassing... PC World and Dixons won't stock... sad. And yea 18 tag on it and done. Give the parents a chance to show they're able to raise a child. __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

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Kipman725 When did I get a custom title!?! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,753	people have the wrong idea about this game aswell... it's not violent in the main part. Sigh. __________________ Sn45g game server mod My Electronics Site Hardware: 3400+ Sempr0n, 1GB RAM, 1.28TB local storage, x1950pro,Razer Viper,M$ comfort curve 2000,L70S + 17", Fujitsu 17" CRT Audio: HD-650's, PE congress amp, Sound Blaster AWE64, Soundblaster 24bit

27th Oct 2006, 13:29	#11
teabagger Minimodder Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21	It's kind of on a par with the fuss that surrounded Train Spotting because it supposedly glorified drug-taking. It would seem fairly obvious that anyone with that view hadn't actually watched the film at all, merely made a load of assumptions and presented them as fact. But when has sensible, rational debate ever got a politician in the papers? (Except perhaps Jack Straw recently)

27th Oct 2006, 16:25	#12
konsta Multimodder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London Posts: 92	Usually, I'm a firm advocate of the gamer on this issue: only an idiot is seriously going to be convinced by GTA to go and shoot at cars - and they'd have probably done it anyway. However, I have very mixed feelings about this game. The difference between this and every other violent game is the real closeness to reality. All children are in schools, they see bullying often, and there is a real chance of it affecting them in some way - agressor or victim. I think that this sort of game, where you score on the basis of harm to classmates is easily transferable to the playground, and sends the wrong message to kids. As for age controls: how many of us saw our first 18 film at the age of 18? Most parents will happily buy something if their child asks for it - the age restrictions on games are CLEARLY not effective. Ask someone who's worked in a shop. The kid comes, you refuse, then the kid returns with parent and cash in hand. Parents don't often see the game play in reality, and as it is a relatively new medium, probably don't think of it in the same way as even a film. So to summarise: I'm totally in favour of Half-life, GTA and Day of Defeat, because they are not reasonable leaps into reality. But giving school kids the idea of a scoring system based on playground violence? Bad plan.

27th Oct 2006, 17:37	#13
Lazarus Dark Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Memphis, TN Posts: 291	know whats funny? I wasn't interested in this game until all the controversy. Now finally, after hearing that some stores won't carry it, I MUST get it. congrats to those pantywaists that complained: you just INCREASED the sales of the game. If you'd have stayed quiet no one would have known about the game. __________________ My gun kata is greater than your kung fu.

27th Oct 2006, 18:24	#14
aggies11 Multimodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 171	Harry Potter is bullied by Draco Malfoy all the time, and he often fights back, bloodying noses, and in the later novels, much much more. Yet these books are read by children all the time, often read by parents themselves. This is just another case of the general media (and general population) being clueless about gaming. They actually have no idea what this game is about, only vague ideas/impressions that are largely innacurate. Of course, this is pretty much true of every major world issue, not just gaming, so it's to be expected. Aggies

27th Oct 2006, 19:03	#15
fini What's a Dremel? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: uk Posts: 18	DSG Group (Dixons, Currys, PC World etc) wouldn't stock warriors (IIRC) when it first came out - but started stocking it six months later - they do it for the publicity. fini

27th Oct 2006, 22:55	#16
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,460	HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! i play violent games since....... always, and see films that were not for my age at the time...... am i violent? i think not? did they change me? yes, they are my anti-stress after a day of real life, and in games i de-stress so i can continue living in this stressful and ingrate life for at least one more day. __________________ *Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK!

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