NVIDIA brings Vista-esque graphics to Linux - bit-tech.net Forums

WilHarris · 8th Nov 2006, 11:33

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/11...hics_to_Linux/

DougEdey · 8th Nov 2006, 11:43

Doesn't beat XGL :P

ST8 · 8th Nov 2006, 11:57

This is what most people think of as xgl. XGL just provides a gl x server, the program that does all the flash stuff is compiz (beryl is a compiz fork) which is a composite window manager. Ive been running the 9625 drivers for a couple of weeks now and with the latest xorg server (7.1) there is no need for xgl at all, as they provide they provide their own GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap implementation.

For any of you on debian, compiz is available as an official package in unstable

EDIT: looks like the 9625s were the betas for 9629, in which case theyve been working fine for the last few weeks

Da Dego · 8th Nov 2006, 14:21

wow. This might make another reason to turn to linux. Honestly, the only thing that's really holding me off right now is software support and DirectX.

Techno-Dann · 8th Nov 2006, 15:32

Wow. I may have to switch GPUs. I've always been an ATI guy, but this could persuade me to change. (But yes, we need a DirectX emulator for Linux. If I could play ex-Windows games on Linux, I'd switch.)

hitman012 · 8th Nov 2006, 15:44

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Originally Posted by DougEdey

Doesn't beat XGL :P

AIGLX runs a fair bit faster for me (on the NVIDIA beta from before this release); plus, it's integrated into Ubuntu Edgy so the installation is a lot less fuss. Unfortunately, neither support indirect hardware rendering so you have to CPU-render all your videos (and the fix is a bit of a bodge). IMO that's the single biggest problem with both of them

Having used both, Vista seems a lot more polished to me. Beryl is fun to play with though

Tyinsar · 8th Nov 2006, 15:49

Nvidia

And here I was thinking of switching to ATI

Games - if only Linux had the games...

wafflesomd · 8th Nov 2006, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Techno-Dann

Wow. I may have to switch GPUs. I've always been an ATI guy, but this could persuade me to change. (But yes, we need a DirectX emulator for Linux. If I could play ex-Windows games on Linux, I'd switch.)

ATI/Nvidia Drivers are already coded in opengl, directx is a layer overtop. It's like a useless layer to slow things down

If opengl were adopted by comanies, it would be a hell of alot faster and could easily look just as good, if not better.

koola · 8th Nov 2006, 20:05

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Originally Posted by wafflesomd

If opengl were adopted by comanies, it would be a hell of alot faster and could easily look just as good, if not better.

Kipman725 · 8th Nov 2006, 20:07

titles abit miselading seen as linux had 3d rendered desktops years before vista was announced. They have only recently took off though.

speedfreek · 8th Nov 2006, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Tyinsar

Nvidia

And here I was thinking of switching to ATI

Games - if only Linux had the games...

Same here, I figure I will just run vista inside of linux for those dx10 games and the few windows only programs.

wafflesomd · 8th Nov 2006, 22:59

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Originally Posted by speedfreek

Same here, I figure I will just run vista inside of linux for those dx10 games and the few windows only programs.

Nah.

See, we need to send emails like hail stones at dev's.

The standard needs to be opengl, not this useless overlayer they call Directx.

Cthippo · 9th Nov 2006, 00:33

The Devs have to realize that they are depriving themselves of a small, but potentially lucrative, market by not being able to run under Mac and *nix. Perhaps with OpenGL support in Vista that will change

Shagbag · 9th Nov 2006, 14:09

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Originally Posted by speedfreek

Same here, I figure I will just run vista inside of linux for those dx10 games and the few windows only programs.

That won't work. Xen, VMware and Parallels don't allow direct rendering so your CPU utilisation is going to skyrocket. Even with Vanderbelt/Pacifica there will still be a noticable performance lag. Your frame rates are going to be unplayable.

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Originally Posted by Tyinsar

Games - if only Linux had the games...

It does. Many DirectX games run on linux via WINE, CrossOver and/or Cedega. Not everyone does, of course, as M$ don't want you to run anything but Windoze. Hence, the lucrative cash (and other) incentives they give to game developers to get them to code using DirectX APIs rather than OpenGL. M$ is a gaming platform. Period. Take away their games and you have no reason to buy Windoze (or Vista). M$ don't want this (obviously).

Cthippo · 9th Nov 2006, 14:13

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Originally Posted by Shagbag

It does. Many DirectX games run on linux via WINE, CrossOver and/or Cedega. Not everyone does, of course, as M$ don't want you to run anything but Windoze. Hence, the lucrative cash (and other) incentives they give to game developers to get them to code using DirectX APIs rather than OpenGL. M$ is a gaming platform. Period. Take away their games and you have no reason to buy Windoze (or Vista). M$ don't want this (obviously).

MS is a gaming platform???

If anything, MS is a business platform, the gaming is just a nice side effect.

DougEdey · 9th Nov 2006, 14:16

MS is a software gaming platform in effect, if you were just given hardware and a game you couldn't play anything, even consoles have an OS that they use to allow interaction.

Cthippo · 9th Nov 2006, 14:32

Yes, but...

You're technically correct that Windows is a platform on which we play games, however, my point is that it is not predominantly designed to be a gaming platform nor is it optimized as a gaming platform nor is it marketed as a gaming platform. In the great series of trade-offs that is the product development process gaming suitability comes in on the bottom third of the list of attributes long after "easy to use" and "great for business apps" and "Media friendly".

DougEdey · 9th Nov 2006, 15:12

It is now marketed as a gaming platform, games can now be marked with a Games for Microsoft Windows sticker, this is normally done by the manufacturer, and styles of boxes are designed to be similar to those for consoles with "Windows" down the side.

Brooxy · 9th Nov 2006, 17:01

So if you have an ATI card, doe that mean it doesn't work?

looks nice tho, if it does work on ATI, then I'm going to make the switch permanent I think.

Tyinsar · 9th Nov 2006, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Tyinsar

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Games - if only Linux had the games...

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Originally Posted by Shagbag

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It does. Many DirectX games run on linux via WINE, CrossOver and/or Cedega. Not everyone does, of course, as M$ don't want you to run anything but Windoze. Hence, the lucrative cash (and other) incentives they give to game developers to get them to code using DirectX APIs rather than OpenGL. M$ is a gaming platform. Period. Take away their games and you have no reason to buy Windoze (or Vista). M$ don't want this (obviously).

I'm not a fan of Ziff-Davis & co but ExtremeTech had an interesting article on this: (link) The article also points to an earlier article about WOW on Linux. It and a select FEW games work great in Linux but generally you're way better off running the OS the games were made for.

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Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 4,468	Yes, but... You're technically correct that Windows is a platform on which we play games, however, my point is that it is not predominantly designed to be a gaming platform nor is it optimized as a gaming platform nor is it marketed as a gaming platform. In the great series of trade-offs that is the product development process gaming suitability comes in on the bottom third of the list of attributes long after "easy to use" and "great for business apps" and "Media friendly". __________________ Notice: If we see you flaming we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate measures - The Bit-Tech Fire Brigade.

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