Ballmer says "Linux stole our IP" - bit-tech.net Forums

Da Dego · 17th Nov 2006, 16:31

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/11...inux_stole_IP/

Lazarus Dark · 17th Nov 2006, 17:08

sour grapes.
hes just mad cause he knows linux will make his job obsolete before he's ready to retire.

Tyinsar · 17th Nov 2006, 18:19

The only thing that surprises me is the size of blinders he must be wearing. How many of MS's "innovations" existed in others OSs (right back to CP/M, Mac, Unix, OS/2) before M$ used them? I'm still dabbling with Linux but from what I see there's a LOT more innovation going on there (mostly due to the OPEN source nature).

Maybe MS should buy Symantec - they don't play well with others either.

"A partner is what you call someone before you back-stab them and take their stuff" - Grand Nagus Steve

Also see rules 21, 47, 48, 76, 242, 263 here

zoom314 · 18th Nov 2006, 01:35

Well It looked good, Of course Ballmer is being balmy now, Lets see how this shapes up, MS took on a major player It looks like. I was hoping for something better, Not bitter. MS must be really scared of Linux and the Penquin. Sounds like someone needs a bat for their bellfry.

If MS can sue the Linux OS then, Who's next Apple?

Nikumba · 18th Nov 2006, 12:23

I have used both Linux and MS products and Linux will not replace windows on the desktop for years to come. It is in my opioin still too geeky/elitist.

The fact it will also cost more for a company to hire linux trained guys than window trained guys.

I will agree Linux in the server environment is good, we use it as our mail platform, but for other things I dont like it for DNS/DHCP Windows is still best at the graphical mangemnt of those services, and Im sure Linux is just as capable but it lacks the GUI that we all like.

Kimbie

eddtox · 18th Nov 2006, 17:28

Is it just me, or is MS getting desperate. I think they smell competition and they are determined to take it out ANY WAY THEY CAN. I also happen to think that if MS had any evidence which would hold up in court they would have used it long ago. I was starting to think that MS is getting nicer. I was obviously wrong. They are still the evil, moneygrabbing bas***** we know and hate. They don't seem to care that linux is aiding the evolution of IT as an industry.

IMHO

-ed out

zoom314 · 18th Nov 2006, 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddtox

Is it just me, or is MS getting desperate. I think they smell competition and they are determined to take it out ANY WAY THEY CAN. I also happen to think that if MS had any evidence which would hold up in court they would have used it long ago. I was starting to think that MS is getting nicer. I was obviously wrong. They are still the evil, moneygrabbing bas***** we know and hate. They don't seem to care that linux is aiding the evolution of IT as an industry.

IMHO

-ed out

I agree, Just when I thought MS was going to play nice without Bill at the Helm and Balmer goes off the deep end, He's just plain NUTS.

Bindibadgi · 18th Nov 2006, 18:36

Good business managers know you don't give the competition ANY leeway to maximise your profits and to keep market share. It's all about the shareholders at the end of the day.

eddtox · 18th Nov 2006, 19:16

@Bindibadgi: I suppose it comes back down to the whole "business ethics" debate...

-ed out

Bindibadgi · 18th Nov 2006, 19:46

And business ethics comes down to what will people put up with. If you can get away with it, if nobody cares, then even in the general scheme of things it's morally or ethically questionable but makes you money, you do it. Most major businesses and sucessful businesses get to where they are by being ruthless.

eddtox · 18th Nov 2006, 20:21

Which is why I feel the need to speak out against it and urge other people to do the same.

-ed out

Glider · 19th Nov 2006, 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikumba

I will agree Linux in the server environment is good, we use it as our mail platform, but for other things I dont like it for DNS/DHCP Windows is still best at the graphical mangemnt of those services, and Im sure Linux is just as capable but it lacks the GUI that we all like.

If you every tried something like IPCop you'd know how much a fool you are making of yourself by saying this...

OT: I allways tought MS stole TCP/IP from BSD, but I'm not sure where I found that...

AJB2K3 · 19th Nov 2006, 13:22

IIRC, didn't MS steal most of windows ideas from an earler os?
I bet some of vista was stolen from linux , Firefox's tabs anyone?

Cthippo · 20th Nov 2006, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyinsar

"A partner is what you call someone before you back-stab them and take their stuff" - Grand Nagus Steve

They appearently used that line of reasoning with "plays for sure"

17th Nov 2006, 16:31	#1
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17th Nov 2006, 17:08	#2
Lazarus Dark Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Memphis, TN Posts: 292	sour grapes. hes just mad cause he knows linux will make his job obsolete before he's ready to retire. __________________ My gun kata is greater than your kung fu.

17th Nov 2006, 18:19	#3
Tyinsar 6 screens / 1 card Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: AB.CA Posts: 2,005	The only thing that surprises me is the size of blinders he must be wearing. How many of MS's "innovations" existed in others OSs (right back to CP/M, Mac, Unix, OS/2) before M$ used them? I'm still dabbling with Linux but from what I see there's a LOT more innovation going on there (mostly due to the OPEN source nature). Maybe MS should buy Symantec - they don't play well with others either. "A partner is what you call someone before you back-stab them and take their stuff" - Grand Nagus Steve Also see rules 21, 47, 48, 76, 242, 263 here __________________ It's not about how life treats you, it's about how you treat life.

18th Nov 2006, 18:36	#8
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,269	Good business managers know you don't give the competition ANY leeway to maximise your profits and to keep market share. It's all about the shareholders at the end of the day. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

18th Nov 2006, 19:46	#10
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,269	And business ethics comes down to what will people put up with. If you can get away with it, if nobody cares, then even in the general scheme of things it's morally or ethically questionable but makes you money, you do it. Most major businesses and sucessful businesses get to where they are by being ruthless. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

18th Nov 2006, 01:35	#4
zoom314 Multimodder Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Yermo, CA, USA Posts: 174	Well It looked good, Of course Ballmer is being balmy now, Lets see how this shapes up, MS took on a major player It looks like. I was hoping for something better, Not bitter. MS must be really scared of Linux and the Penquin. Sounds like someone needs a bat for their bellfry. If MS can sue the Linux OS then, Who's next Apple?

18th Nov 2006, 12:23	#5
Nikumba Supermodder Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Dark Place Posts: 371	I have used both Linux and MS products and Linux will not replace windows on the desktop for years to come. It is in my opioin still too geeky/elitist. The fact it will also cost more for a company to hire linux trained guys than window trained guys. I will agree Linux in the server environment is good, we use it as our mail platform, but for other things I dont like it for DNS/DHCP Windows is still best at the graphical mangemnt of those services, and Im sure Linux is just as capable but it lacks the GUI that we all like. Kimbie

18th Nov 2006, 17:28	#6
eddtox Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Medway Posts: 345	Is it just me, or is MS getting desperate. I think they smell competition and they are determined to take it out ANY WAY THEY CAN. I also happen to think that if MS had any evidence which would hold up in court they would have used it long ago. I was starting to think that MS is getting nicer. I was obviously wrong. They are still the evil, moneygrabbing bas***** we know and hate. They don't seem to care that linux is aiding the evolution of IT as an industry. IMHO -ed out

18th Nov 2006, 19:16	#9
eddtox Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Medway Posts: 345	@Bindibadgi: I suppose it comes back down to the whole "business ethics" debate... -ed out

18th Nov 2006, 20:21	#11
eddtox Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Medway Posts: 345	Which is why I feel the need to speak out against it and urge other people to do the same. -ed out

19th Nov 2006, 13:22	#13
AJB2K3 I am a Dremel Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Around there Posts: 1,558	IIRC, didn't MS steal most of windows ideas from an earler os? I bet some of vista was stolen from linux , Firefox's tabs anyone? __________________ 4 Men went to mow, Went to mow a meadow, 4 Men went to mow, Went to mow a meadow,