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Da Dego · 20th Nov 2006, 18:10

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/11..._is_ASUS-only/

Mankz · 20th Nov 2006, 18:13

that seems a bit silly.

More partners surely means more products. If Asus put the price too high, no one will buy them and then there is no allternative.

M4RTIN · 20th Nov 2006, 18:20

i thought it was supposed to be proper 4 core, looks like 2 boards cobbled together to make one to me..

plus this is the one cpu amd need to go against the high end home user who would otherwise buy a kentsfield, if this isnt shooting yourself in the foot i dont know what is

specofdust · 20th Nov 2006, 18:23

That's an incredibly stupid thing to have done. They talk about AMD 4x4 being for the real hardcore consumers, the ones who want to have the best tech by far. Those are the exact people who want plenty of choice for things like mobo's to suit their individual needs and we can be quite sure Asus aren't going to produce 10 different Quadfather mobo's. Stupid AMD.

LoneArchon · 20th Nov 2006, 18:27

It maybe that asus is the launch suppler and other companys will jump on after it hit retail. I will wait and see but the 4x4 will be nice when amd quad cores come out having 8 cores in one system

overdosedelusion · 20th Nov 2006, 18:32

im sick of AMD at the moment. It's like theyre spoon feeding us what they think we should have in our diet. If we don't like it, we go up to our rooms, kick and scream, go hungry for a few hours, and then we come back down eat it.

First with the ATI merger, and now with extremely strict product restrictions. gay ass.

Buzzons · 20th Nov 2006, 18:35

so, right, 4x4 = 2 cpus with 2 cores on each cpu (just to state what it is)

how is this NEW? you could have 2 intel p2's on one board (my old dell had dual 400mhz p2s) , ok so they put two cores on it.. big deal? its not like having two CPUs is anything new, its been going on in the server side / workstation side for like.. ever. Intel could just do the same thing with a quad core and have 2 of them... ooo 8 cores, 8x2!! yay

and how is it 4x4? surly its 2x2??? 2 cores, 2 cpus == 4 cores? or is it 4 cores on each cpu, but then thats still 4x2, unless its 4 CPUS!! then that is cool

BUFF · 20th Nov 2006, 18:36

4x4 is a server platform afaik & how many server mobo mfrs were there for 940?
OK, more than 1 but certainly nowhere near as many as for 939 etc.

Tyinsar · 20th Nov 2006, 19:33

Many AMD enthusiasts support AMD partly because they like to root for the "little guy" - they want an alternative to the giant with a near monopoly (Intel, MS, iPod,...). While Asus has made a great name for themselves this agreement is a slap in the face to many of AMD's fans. IMHO The only valid reason I can see for this is that AMD might have to share some secrets to make 4x4 work and ~~wanted~~ needed to limit who they share those secrets with.

I WAS looking forward to AMD's counter to Conroe & Kentsfield but this... BOO!

aggies11 · 20th Nov 2006, 20:04

4x4 smacks of existing mostly for marketing/advertising reasons anyhow. It doesn't seem to be a "realistic" plattform for end users. The name alone kills me, heh.

So even if they do gimp it, by going with only one board partner, I can't see it having that large of an impact.

Aggies

perplekks45 · 20th Nov 2006, 20:43

Whoa! 4x4 seems to be great! *click sarcasm_mode turned off

Hasn't there been the possibility of using more than 2 CPUs on one MB? Opterons, Xeons?

Buzzons · 20th Nov 2006, 20:55

yes, very much so lol, and i still dont get where the 4x4 comes from?!? anyone?

4 cores : yes
2 cpus : yes
1 motherboard : yes

so wheres the other 4?

LoneArchon · 20th Nov 2006, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzons

yes, very much so lol, and i still dont get where the 4x4 comes from?!? anyone?

4 cores : yes
2 cpus : yes
1 motherboard : yes

so wheres the other 4?

quad sli with 4x 16x pci connectors 2 running at 8x with the other 2 running at 16x

SuiSid3l · 20th Nov 2006, 21:17

wow bit-tech needs to catch up with some of the idiots on this site. tru that AMD is only going with ASUS for an undetermined amount of time in the early stages of 4x4. Mostly I assume b/c they were joint partners in producing the board.

And 4x4 has nothing to do with the cores by themselves. do some research b4 you start bashing a tech you have absolutely no knowledge of. fanboyism at its best.

4x4 is simply a term for having 4 cores coupled with 4 video cards with 4 gigs of ram with 4 hard drives. But saying 4x4x4x4 is a little too much so they cut it back to simply 4x4.

Its a little extreme and no one at AMD is claiming that this is new technology, just simply that its a new approach. last time i check those dual p2 400 boards didnt come with two northbridges or 4 pcix slots?

You bashing this tech is just like any other fanboy bashing the PS3 or 360 in about a million other threads. Its simple, if you dont want/need/like it...then..DONT BUY IT. nuff said.

Neogumbercules · 20th Nov 2006, 21:23

I wonder if AMD will ship "4x4 Ready" CPU packages that include 2 CPUs with 2 HSFs in one box. For a discount, of course. Or perhaps the CPUs will be close enough to use one elaborate cooling solution to cool both, sort of like PS3s massive cooling unit.

I can see how this causes all kinds of problems, but it's not like Asus is a bad brand. However, competition drives advancement. If no one is around to take their crown they might be less likely to vastly improve their product or sell it at competitive rates.

Bindibadgi · 20th Nov 2006, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neogumbercules

I wonder if AMD will ship "4x4 Ready" CPU packages that include 2 CPUs with 2 HSFs in one box. For a discount, of course. Or perhaps the CPUs will be close enough to use one elaborate cooling solution to cool both, sort of like PS3s massive cooling unit.

I can see how this causes all kinds of problems, but it's not like Asus is a bad brand. However, competition drives advancement. If no one is around to take their crown they might be less likely to vastly improve their product or sell it at competitive rates.

There will be. L1FX socket will ONLY house FX processors and those will come in "sub 1k" packages.

speedfreek · 20th Nov 2006, 22:00

I cant see how this can be good, I think AMD is pulling an intel.

Lazarus Dark · 20th Nov 2006, 22:45

come on people! how many people are going to get this? this is UBER high end. only for the elite who can buy those ten grand alienware jobies. the typical gamer or even enthusiast will not be able to afford this, period. this is like amd's flagship model; like ford has the gt40 and dodge has the viper (im american). So in my mind it makes sense to keep it to one manufacturer since this is a low volume product. And in that case, asus is the perfect choice; they are well known for making the most high end, fully loaded, fully featured mobos.

Lazarus Dark · 20th Nov 2006, 22:48

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4963

Just in: pictures of asus 4x4!

B3CK · 20th Nov 2006, 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuiSid3l

wow bit-tech needs to catch up with some of the idiots on this site. tru that AMD is only going with ASUS for an undetermined amount of time in the early stages of 4x4. Mostly I assume b/c they were joint partners in producing the board.

And 4x4 has nothing to do with the cores by themselves. do some research b4 you start bashing a tech you have absolutely no knowledge of. fanboyism at its best.

4x4 is simply a term for having 4 cores coupled with 4 video cards with 4 gigs of ram with 4 hard drives. But saying 4x4x4x4 is a little too much so they cut it back to simply 4x4.

Its a little extreme and no one at AMD is claiming that this is new technology, just simply that its a new approach. last time i check those dual p2 400 boards didnt come with two northbridges or 4 pcix slots?

You bashing this tech is just like any other fanboy bashing the PS3 or 360 in about a million other threads. Its simple, if you dont want/need/like it...then..DONT BUY IT. nuff said.

I do think this thread has started with a little too much fanboy'ism. We have seen this before. I can understand that they are wanting to both "test the market", and "iron out the bugs" by limiting production to a select manufacturer. The only thing I see wrong with this attitude, is that they are actually going to sell the "token" setup; (I guess, "It's the business of business to make money, or else it is a charity." rings true.). I would rather "hear", about this, and wait another 6-9 months and get the whole spectrum. But hey, I guess they need some self promotion every now and again. Something along the lines of "Any publicity is good publicity".

20th Nov 2006, 18:10	#1
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20th Nov 2006, 18:23	#4
specofdust Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 7,607	That's an incredibly stupid thing to have done. They talk about AMD 4x4 being for the real hardcore consumers, the ones who want to have the best tech by far. Those are the exact people who want plenty of choice for things like mobo's to suit their individual needs and we can be quite sure Asus aren't going to produce 10 different Quadfather mobo's. Stupid AMD. __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Mmm bop!

20th Nov 2006, 18:27	#5
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Tyinsar 6 screens / 1 card Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: AB.CA Posts: 2,005	Many AMD enthusiasts support AMD partly because they like to root for the "little guy" - they want an alternative to the giant with a near monopoly (Intel, MS, iPod,...). While Asus has made a great name for themselves this agreement is a slap in the face to many of AMD's fans. IMHO The only valid reason I can see for this is that AMD might have to share some secrets to make 4x4 work and ~~wanted~~ needed to limit who they share those secrets with. I WAS looking forward to AMD's counter to Conroe & Kentsfield but this... BOO! __________________ It's not about how life treats you, it's about how you treat life.

20th Nov 2006, 18:20	#3
M4RTIN Ultramodder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,257	i thought it was supposed to be proper 4 core, looks like 2 boards cobbled together to make one to me.. plus this is the one cpu amd need to go against the high end home user who would otherwise buy a kentsfield, if this isnt shooting yourself in the foot i dont know what is

20th Nov 2006, 18:35	#7
Buzzons Mod Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,086	so, right, 4x4 = 2 cpus with 2 cores on each cpu (just to state what it is) how is this NEW? you could have 2 intel p2's on one board (my old dell had dual 400mhz p2s) , ok so they put two cores on it.. big deal? its not like having two CPUs is anything new, its been going on in the server side / workstation side for like.. ever. Intel could just do the same thing with a quad core and have 2 of them... ooo 8 cores, 8x2!! yay and how is it 4x4? surly its 2x2??? 2 cores, 2 cpus == 4 cores? or is it 4 cores on each cpu, but then thats still 4x2, unless its 4 CPUS!! then that is cool

20th Nov 2006, 18:36	#8
BUFF Hypermodder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glasgow Posts: 912	4x4 is a server platform afaik & how many server mobo mfrs were there for 940? OK, more than 1 but certainly nowhere near as many as for 939 etc.

20th Nov 2006, 20:04	#10
aggies11 Multimodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 171	4x4 smacks of existing mostly for marketing/advertising reasons anyhow. It doesn't seem to be a "realistic" plattform for end users. The name alone kills me, heh. So even if they do gimp it, by going with only one board partner, I can't see it having that large of an impact. Aggies

20th Nov 2006, 20:43	#11
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,346	Whoa! 4x4 seems to be great! *click sarcasm_mode turned off Hasn't there been the possibility of using more than 2 CPUs on one MB? Opterons, Xeons? __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

20th Nov 2006, 20:55	#12
Buzzons Mod Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,086	yes, very much so lol, and i still dont get where the 4x4 comes from?!? anyone? 4 cores : yes 2 cpus : yes 1 motherboard : yes so wheres the other 4?

20th Nov 2006, 21:17	#14
SuiSid3l Minimodder Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 35	wow bit-tech needs to catch up with some of the idiots on this site. tru that AMD is only going with ASUS for an undetermined amount of time in the early stages of 4x4. Mostly I assume b/c they were joint partners in producing the board. And 4x4 has nothing to do with the cores by themselves. do some research b4 you start bashing a tech you have absolutely no knowledge of. fanboyism at its best. 4x4 is simply a term for having 4 cores coupled with 4 video cards with 4 gigs of ram with 4 hard drives. But saying 4x4x4x4 is a little too much so they cut it back to simply 4x4. Its a little extreme and no one at AMD is claiming that this is new technology, just simply that its a new approach. last time i check those dual p2 400 boards didnt come with two northbridges or 4 pcix slots? You bashing this tech is just like any other fanboy bashing the PS3 or 360 in about a million other threads. Its simple, if you dont want/need/like it...then..DONT BUY IT. nuff said.

20th Nov 2006, 21:23	#15
Neogumbercules Ultramodder Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,494	I wonder if AMD will ship "4x4 Ready" CPU packages that include 2 CPUs with 2 HSFs in one box. For a discount, of course. Or perhaps the CPUs will be close enough to use one elaborate cooling solution to cool both, sort of like PS3s massive cooling unit. I can see how this causes all kinds of problems, but it's not like Asus is a bad brand. However, competition drives advancement. If no one is around to take their crown they might be less likely to vastly improve their product or sell it at competitive rates. __________________ Abit AB9 Pro, Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 CPU, 2GB Corsair DDR2 6400, nVidia 8800GT, Seagate 160 GB HDD.

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20th Nov 2006, 22:45	#18
Lazarus Dark Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Memphis, TN Posts: 291	come on people! how many people are going to get this? this is UBER high end. only for the elite who can buy those ten grand alienware jobies. the typical gamer or even enthusiast will not be able to afford this, period. this is like amd's flagship model; like ford has the gt40 and dodge has the viper (im american). So in my mind it makes sense to keep it to one manufacturer since this is a low volume product. And in that case, asus is the perfect choice; they are well known for making the most high end, fully loaded, fully featured mobos. __________________ My gun kata is greater than your kung fu.

20th Nov 2006, 22:48	#19
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