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Da Dego · 6th Dec 2006, 15:53

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/12..._law_proposed/

Tulatin · 6th Dec 2006, 16:01

So i guess the eventual idea of this curve is that all personal content is legal to be used in whatever -private- manner as desired, and hopefully that downloading isn't a problem, though providing the material is a harsh risk. I suppose that makes torrents naff, since you are uploading as you down.

_DTM2000_ · 6th Dec 2006, 16:03

As long as it works like that, it sounds like a good thing to me. Not being able to backup and re-encode your own property is just stupid, so I'm glad they're thinking about relaxing those restrictions. As for the distribution of copywrited material, as long as they're not going to start locking people up for 10 years for ripping off a few mp3's etc, I think it's only fair.

Digital content really needs to come down in price though. I resent having to pay the same price for a lower quality digital copy as for a high quality hard copy.

Tulatin · 6th Dec 2006, 16:03

So in theory, a drive working with 20 4GB chips should blow a single 80GB lump of flash out of the water...

Veles · 6th Dec 2006, 16:14

So basically, the entire population is going to prison for up to 10 years, never mind that the prision system is already failing.

Confused Fishcake · 6th Dec 2006, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Tulatin

So in theory, a drive working with 20 4GB chips should blow a single 80GB lump of flash out of the water...

Relevance?

I think this law will do little. Not everyone knows how to rip DVDs for personal use, but those that do are unaffected by legal reasons. And 10 years for piracy is totally ridiculous. I could murder someone and get a similar sentence. People need to put piracy in perspective, its only money, no-one is actually physically harmed. Maybe the people who copy thousands of DVDs for resale deserve to be locked up, but not the average person who downloads the odd thing once in a while. Another pointless, draconian law if you ask me

Sh00ter · 6th Dec 2006, 16:25

10 years? far better to go into a music shop and just take what u want - as the Police dont want to know about shoplifters..... geez

typical of this govt - corperate crime is seen as worse than murders, manslaughter and everything below

antiHero · 6th Dec 2006, 16:28

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Originally Posted by Confused Fishcake

its only money,

Thats the problem! Sadly in our society money is more value then people. Kill somebody you get 10 years! Lie in your taxes and you go away for 15!

Back on topic: I think its a step in the right direction and will(hopefully) give people more rights how to handle and what to do with there property.

Firehed · 6th Dec 2006, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Sh00ter

10 years? far better to go into a music shop and just take what u want - as the Police dont want to know about shoplifters..... geez

typical of this govt - corperate crime is seen as worse than murders, manslaughter and everything below

Hey, you can assault an officer here while watching child porn and get a lesser sentence than some digital violations (DMCA I think, might have been something else though).

Well, the fair use part is a Good Thing at least. But make sure that if you get nicked for piracy over there, make sure you take out the idiot that added on these prison sentences. You'll already be headed away from a while, might as well hang around a bit longer and actually accomplish something in the process.

specofdust · 6th Dec 2006, 17:25

I was just reading in the news today that a yob who beat a man to death in wales when the guy confronted them about them breaking a window on his car, the murderer got 2 & 1/2 years. So, 2 and a half years for murder or 10 years for piracy. Hooray for common sense.

Joeymac · 6th Dec 2006, 17:27

Screw it. They should just cancel all copywrites. Start afresh.
Would society collapse if it was a free for all?
I'm guessing not, because it already is for those that know how to do it.
And those that know are probably the people that buy the most CD's DVD's and games whilst regularly going to the cinema.

Krikkit · 6th Dec 2006, 17:29

To be honest, it's a step in the right direction. It's giving back certain rights to the end user, who has payed for their music, and at the same time starting to discourage large-scale piracy.

Whatever you think about what's happening to our justice system at the moment, this is a good thing imho. Murderers might get 10 years, but piracy needs a deterrant as well, just like drug-running and robbery.

Rav · 6th Dec 2006, 18:01

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Originally Posted by _DTM2000_

Digital content really needs to come down in price though. I resent having to pay the same price for a lower quality digital copy as for a high quality hard copy.

I resent not being able to make digital copies/rips of some of my legally purchased CD's because of annoying copy protection. Having said that, i mostly listen to CDs via a dedicated player, but if i used an mp3 portable i'd be well pissed off having to either buy again (iTunes etc) or torrent something i already own just to listen on the go.

Edenalig · 6th Dec 2006, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Krikkit

To be honest, it's a step in the right direction. It's giving back certain rights to the end user, who has payed for their music, and at the same time starting to discourage large-scale piracy.

Whatever you think about what's happening to our justice system at the moment, this is a good thing imho. Murderers might get 10 years, but piracy needs a deterrant as well, just like drug-running and robbery.

Somehow no matter how large scale I can't see piracy even close to drug running or robbery!

DXR_13KE · 6th Dec 2006, 19:47

ok.... lets see here.... i RAMMING a stolen car into a media store destroying it in the process, stealing a ton of stuff into my stolen car, then i get caught..... i bet i can get less than 10 bloody years.

koola · 6th Dec 2006, 21:29

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Originally Posted by specofdust

I was just reading in the news today that a yob who beat a man to death in wales when the guy confronted them about them breaking a window on his car, the murderer got 2 & 1/2 years. So, 2 and a half years for murder or 10 years for piracy. Hooray for common sense.

Kind of says it all dont it

Kipman725 · 6th Dec 2006, 22:09

meh I will continue doing whatever I want thank you.

cebla · 7th Dec 2006, 01:40

Note that is up to 10 years. That would mean that 10 years is the maximum sentence.

I think that you will find that the maximum sentence for murder is over 20 years or something (it is over here in Australia anyway)

specofdust · 7th Dec 2006, 01:59

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Originally Posted by cebla

Note that is up to 10 years. That would mean that 10 years is the maximum sentence.

I think that you will find that the maximum sentence for murder is over 20 years or something (it is over here in Australia anyway)

Maybe so, but the problem is is that our prisons are all overfilled at around 105-110% capacity, and our judges are handing out silly sentences for one of the worst crimes possible to commit. And then we're being told that someone downloading the latest maddona album can under certain circumstances be more worthy of punishment then someone who beats an honest and loving father to death merely because he requested they stop destroying his car.

Frankly, it's bulls**t.

overdosedelusion · 7th Dec 2006, 02:57

so sending a song or album to a friend will get me 10 years, but murdering someone who's protecting their car will get me 2.5 years?

I have to agree with spec, this is bullsh*t

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Krikkit Don't panic! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lancs, UK Posts: 15,141	To be honest, it's a step in the right direction. It's giving back certain rights to the end user, who has payed for their music, and at the same time starting to discourage large-scale piracy. Whatever you think about what's happening to our justice system at the moment, this is a good thing imho. Murderers might get 10 years, but piracy needs a deterrant as well, just like drug-running and robbery. __________________ \|E8400 @ 4.4GHz\|WC: 2*120.1 GT's, MCP350, Storm G5\|4GB Dominators\|DFI LT X48-T2R\|8800GT\|74GB Raptor\|Chieftec BA01\|OCZ ModXStream 600W\|Dell 2208WFP\| The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, The LOL!!1!!1!, The Zlad!, The Kempness, The Braaaaaains...

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_DTM2000_ Senior Super Douche Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 229	As long as it works like that, it sounds like a good thing to me. Not being able to backup and re-encode your own property is just stupid, so I'm glad they're thinking about relaxing those restrictions. As for the distribution of copywrited material, as long as they're not going to start locking people up for 10 years for ripping off a few mp3's etc, I think it's only fair. Digital content really needs to come down in price though. I resent having to pay the same price for a lower quality digital copy as for a high quality hard copy.

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Sh00ter Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chatham Posts: 179	10 years? far better to go into a music shop and just take what u want - as the Police dont want to know about shoplifters..... geez typical of this govt - corperate crime is seen as worse than murders, manslaughter and everything below

6th Dec 2006, 17:27	#11
Joeymac Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 221	Screw it. They should just cancel all copywrites. Start afresh. Would society collapse if it was a free for all? I'm guessing not, because it already is for those that know how to do it. And those that know are probably the people that buy the most CD's DVD's and games whilst regularly going to the cinema.

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7th Dec 2006, 01:40	#18
cebla Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 107	Note that is up to 10 years. That would mean that 10 years is the maximum sentence. I think that you will find that the maximum sentence for murder is over 20 years or something (it is over here in Australia anyway)

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