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WilHarris · 13th Dec 2006, 14:01

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/12...violent_games/

M4RTIN · 13th Dec 2006, 14:07

this is kinda similar to the news story i linked to in the other thread, by blaming exacts games i guess they think it makes the argument against violent games stronger.

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It is absolutely beyond any doubt that such killer games desensitise unstable characters and can have a stimulating effect

i agree with that in some repsects, ie if they are nutty to begin with a violent game isnt going to discourage them from acting out the violence. however tarring everyone with the stupid brush is realyl the wrong way to go about it.

if you cant have violent games because it makes people killers, you cant have racing games because everyy speeds, you cant have gambling games as it encourages heavy gambliing what is their left do we all have to play my little pony rainbow adventure from now on

*edit*

didnt even see the other article, i better not go for that zombie genocide achievemnt on dead rising. thats gotta be worth the death penalty lol

Duste · 13th Dec 2006, 14:13

I'd have to agree with one of the final statements you said, about how mental problems make killers out of kids. Think about how many kids in the world actually do play violent video games, and then think about how many of these kids actually do violent acts in real life? There's a VERY big difference in those statistics, which is where the mental problems come in, lol.

Leeum · 13th Dec 2006, 14:17

These games are meant to be inaccessible to children anyway - HL2 and its mods have a BBFC rating of 15 years of age and F.E.A.R. 18 years of age.

Mother-Goose · 13th Dec 2006, 14:19

I can see where the ban is coming from but it really only effects younger people.

I'm 21, I know i can't go out and shoot someone. But imagine an 8 year old for instance, they play CS, the kill a CT with a glock. They see daddy's gun lying around so take it for a spin, see a police officer and shoot them.

I know this cant really happen in Europe but it is possible in the states.

What I do not agree with is allowing kids their own computers/consoles, it makes them lazy (i am coming back on topic right.....now) and as it is all they do for "fun" this can then seep into their lives.

It is more related to young and impressionable minds than adults, but then again, the kids of today will be the adults of tomorrow so I guess you have to start it somewhere.

Maybe these games should be over 18s then?

EDIT: Leeum posted whilst I was writing that, I was unaware of that being in place already, which goes to show it is not being enforced properly.

Chuff_72 · 13th Dec 2006, 15:18

You know what? F*** em I'm fed up having this discussion over and over, if ze Germans want to ban violent games then they are idiots looking for a scapegoat instead of dealing with real issues. I guess Violent games are the new Jews...

Spaceraver · 13th Dec 2006, 15:25

they will try to ban everything that they cant control. which makes things worse. look at the netherlands, they have a better law on beer, pot, and hookers.. there arent 60% whores there right? and not everyone is stoned 24/7..

Get the point??

TheColdLord · 13th Dec 2006, 15:39

This is absolutely idiotic....WTF is thier problem?! I mean the parents are for blame in this case not the child. Guns don't kill ppl...MENTAL ISSUES KILL PEOPLE....TOTALY STUPID ACT AGAINS GAMING!

Mother-Goose · 13th Dec 2006, 15:59

Apparently rappers do as well, if you can believe that

I was reading on the BBC that panto stars aren't allowed to throw sweets into the crowd incase the kids are allergic to nuts, its stupid! If I could keep my computer I'd go back to the 1940's

Chuff_72 · 13th Dec 2006, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Mother-Gooser

If I could keep my computer I'd go back to the 1940's

Ah, an auspicious period for Ze Germans to be sure...

M4RTIN · 13th Dec 2006, 16:35

we could always just say bollocks to children. im sick of thi whole world pandering everythign to kids all the time, banning this and that because kids may or may not see it. nto to mention the fact parents should be controling what they watch not everyone else. if was a parent and wanted my child to watch resevoir dogs and hardcore porn i should bloody well be allowed to. and anyway people spend more time as adults than children after all.

Hilariousity · 13th Dec 2006, 16:51

If someone asked me why I fragged someone in counterstrike I would obviously say I did it for the lulz

overdosedelusion · 13th Dec 2006, 16:56

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Originally Posted by Spaceraver

they will try to ban everything that they cant control. which makes things worse. look at the netherlands, they have a better law on beer, pot, and hookers.. there arent 60% whores there right? and not everyone is stoned 24/7..

Get the point??

if only i could live there *sniffle*

MrBurritoMan · 13th Dec 2006, 17:04

i like what was said in the mini article

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The point we repeatedly make at bit-tech is that games do not make killers out of kids - mental problems make killers out of kids, and addressing the issue through banning games rather than mental health treatment simply addresses the symptom, not the cause.

i have studied psychology in college so I'm not an authority by any means however what i did learn, and know from personal experience, lines right up with what has been said. if the Germans are right then all of us who enjoy a nightly frag fest should be robbing the corner convenience store just for kicks. if there is such a pretense to be violent after playing such games then there the ratio of violent acts in this world to video game sales should be directly proportional. instead those who like to panic about everything seem to want to ruin things for everyone. German gamers, our prayers are with you.

...this is simply idiotic...

yodasarmpit · 13th Dec 2006, 18:21

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Originally Posted by MrBurritoMan

...this is simply idiotic...

I have nothing else to add.

inflatable · 13th Dec 2006, 18:44

This is your typical stuff where some politician thinks he/she is doing the right thing while infact he/she has no clue what he/she is talking about.. You're typical non-gamer that still thinks gaming is just for kids..

Banning adult games for kids, ok I agree, but banning games for everybody including adults is just stupid.. Instead of taking the easy way out by banning it all they should enforce the current laws better, don't allow retail to sell adult games to kids.. Rest is the responsability of the parents..

And if they really think banning such games helps they should ban a lot more, violent movies and TV-programs etc aswell.. Ban it all, censor the whole society, total state-control!!!

Luckily I live in a free country..

Phil Rhodes · 13th Dec 2006, 19:13

Chess is a war simulator.

Phil

DXR_13KE · 13th Dec 2006, 19:44

i really don't care (sorry if i offended anyone)..... as long as this doesn't spread to the rest of the EU, if Germans want to play games they must vote on another political party that wont do this kind of crap.

and yes, this is simply idiotic, what about violent movies and books?

if you think about it... after this more people will start becoming more violent because they cant play video games to unleash their stress upon virtual humans and will start using it against real humans...... even football (and American football) games will be banned because you can tackle and hit figures of humans.

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Originally Posted by Chuff_72

I guess Violent games are the new Jews...

caution with your words.....

Child's Play is a really really really great idea!!!!!!

perplekks45 · 13th Dec 2006, 21:11

We actually have every goddamn english version of any game banned for gore-ishness and stuff. Well... not banned but put on an index which means: no open trade and no advertises. Sucks but it's ok. IF some assholes sell 18+ games to kids they should be sent to jail... not me!

As I mentioned in another thread: I'm 22 goddamnit! I do know what is real and what is not. I knew with 10, I know now. My parents told me. Yea, I had good parents talking to me not letting the TV talk to me. That's the major problem with kids over here: They're educated by TV shows not by parents and school.
Ban the games, make possession illegal, make playing illegal... I don't care. I bought them for a lot of money, I'm an adult (if only in a terms of law) and I won't accept anyone to tell me what to possess and what not. If I don't hurt anybody or cut down somebody's rights etc I am ****ing free to do whatever I want. Every day in my entire life with every decision.

Thanks Germany for making me as a PC addict such a nice place to live in.

// edit: And about the Jew thingy... Godwin's Law. Better than saying 'stupid', right?

13000 · 13th Dec 2006, 21:25

Guess my business plan of opening up a CSS Lan centre in Germany would put me into - profits then?

13th Dec 2006, 14:01	#1
WilHarris Just another nobody Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,671	CS responsible for ban on violent games http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/12...violent_games/

13th Dec 2006, 14:19	#5
Mother-Goose Tories ftw! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: England - Surrey Posts: 3,750	I can see where the ban is coming from but it really only effects younger people. I'm 21, I know i can't go out and shoot someone. But imagine an 8 year old for instance, they play CS, the kill a CT with a glock. They see daddy's gun lying around so take it for a spin, see a police officer and shoot them. I know this cant really happen in Europe but it is possible in the states. What I do not agree with is allowing kids their own computers/consoles, it makes them lazy (i am coming back on topic right.....now) and as it is all they do for "fun" this can then seep into their lives. It is more related to young and impressionable minds than adults, but then again, the kids of today will be the adults of tomorrow so I guess you have to start it somewhere. Maybe these games should be over 18s then? EDIT: Leeum posted whilst I was writing that, I was unaware of that being in place already, which goes to show it is not being enforced properly. __________________ Goose Q6600, Striker Extreme, 4GB 6400C4 Dominator DHX, Raptor X, 2x400GB spinpoints, BFG 8800GTX OC, Stacker 830 Evo, HX620, Nova T 500, Freezer 7 Pro

13th Dec 2006, 15:25	#7
Spaceraver Weekend Junkie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kolding, Denmark Posts: 1,307	they will try to ban everything that they cant control. which makes things worse. look at the netherlands, they have a better law on beer, pot, and hookers.. there arent 60% whores there right? and not everyone is stoned 24/7.. Get the point?? __________________ "Faith: not wanting to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche. "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca Last thing I remember, I was drinking this glowing green sht out of a test tube and dancing like a bstard.

13th Dec 2006, 15:39	#8
TheColdLord Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: @ Home:D Posts: 204	This is absolutely idiotic....WTF is thier problem?! I mean the parents are for blame in this case not the child. Guns don't kill ppl...MENTAL ISSUES KILL PEOPLE....TOTALY STUPID ACT AGAINS GAMING! __________________ I'm my own futures smith. xxx

13th Dec 2006, 15:59	#9
Mother-Goose Tories ftw! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: England - Surrey Posts: 3,750	Apparently rappers do as well, if you can believe that I was reading on the BBC that panto stars aren't allowed to throw sweets into the crowd incase the kids are allergic to nuts, its stupid! If I could keep my computer I'd go back to the 1940's __________________ Goose Q6600, Striker Extreme, 4GB 6400C4 Dominator DHX, Raptor X, 2x400GB spinpoints, BFG 8800GTX OC, Stacker 830 Evo, HX620, Nova T 500, Freezer 7 Pro

13th Dec 2006, 14:13	#3
Duste Sierra my delta, bravo! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: WA, Australia Posts: 812	I'd have to agree with one of the final statements you said, about how mental problems make killers out of kids. Think about how many kids in the world actually do play violent video games, and then think about how many of these kids actually do violent acts in real life? There's a VERY big difference in those statistics, which is where the mental problems come in, lol.

13th Dec 2006, 14:17	#4
Leeum Mod Master Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,487	These games are meant to be inaccessible to children anyway - HL2 and its mods have a BBFC rating of 15 years of age and F.E.A.R. 18 years of age.

13th Dec 2006, 15:18	#6
Chuff_72 Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: A box, just a box! Posts: 158	You know what? F*** em I'm fed up having this discussion over and over, if ze Germans want to ban violent games then they are idiots looking for a scapegoat instead of dealing with real issues. I guess Violent games are the new Jews...

13th Dec 2006, 16:35	#11
M4RTIN Ultramodder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,257	we could always just say bollocks to children. im sick of thi whole world pandering everythign to kids all the time, banning this and that because kids may or may not see it. nto to mention the fact parents should be controling what they watch not everyone else. if was a parent and wanted my child to watch resevoir dogs and hardcore porn i should bloody well be allowed to. and anyway people spend more time as adults than children after all.

13th Dec 2006, 16:51	#12
Hilariousity What's a Dremel? Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 13	If someone asked me why I fragged someone in counterstrike I would obviously say I did it for the lulz

13th Dec 2006, 18:44	#16
inflatable Minimodder Join Date: May 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 49	This is your typical stuff where some politician thinks he/she is doing the right thing while infact he/she has no clue what he/she is talking about.. You're typical non-gamer that still thinks gaming is just for kids.. Banning adult games for kids, ok I agree, but banning games for everybody including adults is just stupid.. Instead of taking the easy way out by banning it all they should enforce the current laws better, don't allow retail to sell adult games to kids.. Rest is the responsability of the parents.. And if they really think banning such games helps they should ban a lot more, violent movies and TV-programs etc aswell.. Ban it all, censor the whole society, total state-control!!! Luckily I live in a free country..

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Phil Rhodes Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 583	Chess is a war simulator. Phil

13th Dec 2006, 21:11	#19
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,353	We actually have every goddamn english version of any game banned for gore-ishness and stuff. Well... not banned but put on an index which means: no open trade and no advertises. Sucks but it's ok. IF some assholes sell 18+ games to kids they should be sent to jail... not me! As I mentioned in another thread: I'm 22 goddamnit! I do know what is real and what is not. I knew with 10, I know now. My parents told me. Yea, I had good parents talking to me not letting the TV talk to me. That's the major problem with kids over here: They're educated by TV shows not by parents and school. Ban the games, make possession illegal, make playing illegal... I don't care. I bought them for a lot of money, I'm an adult (if only in a terms of law) and I won't accept anyone to tell me what to possess and what not. If I don't hurt anybody or cut down somebody's rights etc I am ****ing free to do whatever I want. Every day in my entire life with every decision. Thanks Germany for making me as a PC addict such a nice place to live in. // edit: And about the Jew thingy... Godwin's Law. Better than saying 'stupid', right? __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

13th Dec 2006, 21:25	#20
13000 Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NG18 Posts: 240	Guess my business plan of opening up a CSS Lan centre in Germany would put me into - profits then?