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WilHarris · 14th Dec 2006, 11:52

http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2006..._future/1.html

Gunsmith · 14th Dec 2006, 12:07

A sad day indeed, it'll be a shame to lose Via from the matketplace.

Lazlow · 14th Dec 2006, 12:12

I don't think we'll see them disappear totally, but it looks like Intel will force them into losing something. I didn't realise they were having problems.

Quote:

Originally Posted by article

the EPIA micro and nano-ITX lines

Shouldn't it be EPIA mini and nano?

fixed, thanks - Tim

Cthippo · 14th Dec 2006, 12:21

I wonder if there isn't a possibility of an anti-trust action against Intel in this. Seems to me this is exactly the kind of thing anti-trust laws are designed to prevent. Seems like they might have a decent chance in front of the EC on this.

Woot, that's two zero zero zero, baby!

DougEdey · 14th Dec 2006, 13:01

the VT8237 was released on the s754 chipsets, I remember because it was my first A64 system and I had to have it imported due to it not being released in the UK at the time.

Bindibadgi · 14th Dec 2006, 14:01

Yea, then it was revised into the 37R a bit later, but you're right, same basic technology.

DougEdey · 14th Dec 2006, 14:05

Didn't the R just sort out a couple of software bugs?

Bindibadgi · 14th Dec 2006, 14:19

You're testing old knowledge now

but I think it fixed some stuff and it added RAID 0 and 1 support.

Nature · 14th Dec 2006, 14:47

VIA should be materialized into a marshmallow and then stabbed with spears!!!

I loathe VIA motherboards.. I loathe them so...

DougEdey · 14th Dec 2006, 14:51

VIA are great as cheap systems, I built 4 around them for £200 a piece a couple of years back (stuck on duron 1.2) but they still work perfect.

Lazlow · 14th Dec 2006, 15:13

Slightly off topic - but where did the Via logo disappear to? Did intel pressure you into removing it?

Da Dego · 14th Dec 2006, 15:16

lol

no, it's a column. We didn't have a good picture (relatively speaking) of Richard

DougEdey · 14th Dec 2006, 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Dego

lol

no, it's a column. We didn't have a good picture (relatively speaking) of Richard

You still don't

Nix · 14th Dec 2006, 16:48

Cant VIA claim that the patents create a monopoly in the CPU world and restrict it to the big 3 companies (AMD, Intel and IBM).

What if it proposed going ahead with the CPU manufacturing but instead of a license they pay a royality fee for each of these CPUs used that infringes in the patent.

I would like to see VIA stay in the market, especially with their progress within the SFF market, mainly around SFF which i think is the way forward in PC form factors.

Bindibadgi · 14th Dec 2006, 19:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougEdey

You still don't

I shoulda stuck a picture of me, blue and dancing up. Everyone loves that.

EDIT: Just reaslised I would have to be naked too.. maybe not.

DougEdey · 14th Dec 2006, 20:15

Ewww naked smurf style Bindi

Tyinsar · 14th Dec 2006, 21:11

[Off Topic]
That's the face of The Evil Bindi?

BWAHAHAHA

Sorry dude - meant no disrespect - you just look much younger and much less threatening than I expected.

[/Off Topic]

Good article. Keep up the good work.

I'd like to see VIA go into making whole systems - especially car-puters, micro HTPCs, tablet PCs, etc.

speedfreek · 14th Dec 2006, 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyinsar

[Off Topic]
That's the face of The Evil Bindi?

BWAHAHAHA

Sorry dude - meant no disrespect - you just look much younger and much less threatening than I expected.

[/Off Topic]

Thats what he looks like, Ha!

Much disrespect intended.

Via makes great basic consumer level chipsets but I have never seen an enthusiast level from them, if they were to go into reliable/durable car-puters then they would have an edge. They already have the small form factor working and if they made something that could take the 0 degree mornings or colder then I would get one.

Bindibadgi · 14th Dec 2006, 23:14

NOES I've lost my evil edge! I'm only 6 months younger than Wil :P

Speed: You weren't around in the early Athlon/mid-late P3 days? VIA made some fantastic enthusiast chipsets back then, but just continually dropped product cycles over the last few years and have ended up fighting SiS for the bottom end and OEM market. Their drivers weren't fantastic but compared to SiS and AMD chispets of the time they weren't that bad.

Kipman725 · 14th Dec 2006, 23:24

all this balckmail with patents is pathetic the whole patent/trademark/copyright thing should be given up as a failed experiment. It has met non of its stated objectives and restricts progress. VIA produce kickass low power chips and would make intell and amd soccet compatible chips if only they could. I wish there was more choice than just intell and AMD

14th Dec 2006, 11:52	#1
WilHarris Just another nobody Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,671	An UnenVIAble future http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2006..._future/1.html

14th Dec 2006, 12:07	#2
Gunsmith my supersonic radar will help me! Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,432	A sad day indeed, it'll be a shame to lose Via from the matketplace. __________________ People who optimise code are wimps. My code knows it's awesome, so it'll take all the time it needs. You can wait in awe

14th Dec 2006, 12:21	#4
Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 4,475	I wonder if there isn't a possibility of an anti-trust action against Intel in this. Seems to me this is exactly the kind of thing anti-trust laws are designed to prevent. Seems like they might have a decent chance in front of the EC on this. Woot, that's two zero zero zero, baby! __________________ Notice: If we see you flaming we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate measures - The Bit-Tech Fire Brigade.

14th Dec 2006, 13:01	#5
DougEdey I pwn all your storage Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 13,933	the VT8237 was released on the s754 chipsets, I remember because it was my first A64 system and I had to have it imported due to it not being released in the UK at the time. __________________ Burnout: Paradise Stats!XBL: DougEdey Bindi PSN ID: DougEdey Twitter

14th Dec 2006, 14:01	#6
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14th Dec 2006, 14:05	#7
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14th Dec 2006, 14:19	#8
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14th Dec 2006, 14:47	#9
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14th Dec 2006, 14:51	#10
DougEdey I pwn all your storage Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 13,933	VIA are great as cheap systems, I built 4 around them for £200 a piece a couple of years back (stuck on duron 1.2) but they still work perfect. __________________ Burnout: Paradise Stats!XBL: DougEdey Bindi PSN ID: DougEdey Twitter

14th Dec 2006, 15:13	#11
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14th Dec 2006, 15:16	#12
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	lol no, it's a column. We didn't have a good picture (relatively speaking) of Richard __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

14th Dec 2006, 16:48	#14
Nix Multimodder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bristol/Portsmouth(Uni) Posts: 197	Cant VIA claim that the patents create a monopoly in the CPU world and restrict it to the big 3 companies (AMD, Intel and IBM). What if it proposed going ahead with the CPU manufacturing but instead of a license they pay a royality fee for each of these CPUs used that infringes in the patent. I would like to see VIA stay in the market, especially with their progress within the SFF market, mainly around SFF which i think is the way forward in PC form factors. __________________ Project: Little Rascal - Mini-ITX Gaming Rig, available @ - Wizd Forums - Bit-Tech - The Mod Nation - SFFTech

14th Dec 2006, 20:15	#16
DougEdey I pwn all your storage Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 13,933	Ewww naked smurf style Bindi __________________ Burnout: Paradise Stats!XBL: DougEdey Bindi PSN ID: DougEdey Twitter

14th Dec 2006, 21:11	#17
Tyinsar 6 screens / 1 card Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: AB.CA Posts: 2,005	[Off Topic] That's the face of The Evil Bindi? BWAHAHAHA Sorry dude - meant no disrespect - you just look much younger and much less threatening than I expected. [/Off Topic] Good article. Keep up the good work. I'd like to see VIA go into making whole systems - especially car-puters, micro HTPCs, tablet PCs, etc. __________________ It's not about how life treats you, it's about how you treat life.

14th Dec 2006, 23:14	#19
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,281	NOES I've lost my evil edge! I'm only 6 months younger than Wil :P Speed: You weren't around in the early Athlon/mid-late P3 days? VIA made some fantastic enthusiast chipsets back then, but just continually dropped product cycles over the last few years and have ended up fighting SiS for the bottom end and OEM market. Their drivers weren't fantastic but compared to SiS and AMD chispets of the time they weren't that bad. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

14th Dec 2006, 23:24	#20
Kipman725 When did I get a custom title!?! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,753	all this balckmail with patents is pathetic the whole patent/trademark/copyright thing should be given up as a failed experiment. It has met non of its stated objectives and restricts progress. VIA produce kickass low power chips and would make intell and amd soccet compatible chips if only they could. I wish there was more choice than just intell and AMD __________________ Sn45g game server mod My Electronics Site Hardware: 3400+ Sempr0n, 1GB RAM, 1.28TB local storage, x1950pro,Razer Viper,M$ comfort curve 2000,L70S + 17", Fujitsu 17" CRT Audio: HD-650's, PE congress amp, Sound Blaster AWE64, Soundblaster 24bit