News Study finds P2P sales effect is virtually zero

[Da Dego]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/02...irtually_zero/

[Solidus]

lol wow

[Firehed]

Well, now that there's been a proper study, the execs might possibly think about considering believing it. Nothing that any sensible person couldn't have concluded on their own anyways.

[oasked]

Its pretty obvious that any study done already by the RIAA is going to be flawed. Its the same as going to, for example, Greenpeace and expecting a balanced argument. All of their data is going to corroborate their viewpoint.

Its all a case of "Lies, damned lies and statistics" again.

Good to see something saying the opposite to the RIAA.

[AcidJiles]

ooohhh im so shocked. oh wait I knew this all along.

[Spaceraver]

Heh, the reason why their sales are going down?? People dont want their overhyped "marketed P O S music from a equally P O S artist" I buy records off small labels, because theyre the ones who need my support.. Not the big labels like SONY and others. They carry music that they want us to like and is mainstream. I never liked mainstream and never will..

[overdosedelusion]

Originally Posted by Spaceraver

Heh, the reason why their sales are going down?? People dont want their overhyped "marketed P O S music from a equally P O S artist" I buy records off small labels, because theyre the ones who need my support.. Not the big labels like SONY and others. They carry music that they want us to like and is mainstream. I never liked mainstream and never will..

Only trouble is, some of my fave artists have actually moved over to sony, i think Lamb of God's sacrement did. But **** the 14.99 at HMV price, got it at iTunes price, and then regretted not buying from an mp3 site in russia But still, since i only buy CD's from artists i like and would see live.. I should get their album for free as a thank you from the band for moshing like a mutha****a

In all seriousness though, the band probably see about a quid from every legit CD (i remember reading it from a breakdown of how much a band (as a whole) earns per CD sale/Gig etc.) I'd rather knock on the bands door and buy it off them personally for a 5er/10er so they see the whole amount, so they can afford to pay for more recording

And, every illegal download i've had, i have either bought the CD, or thought "what a pile of wank, i'll download a few more to be sure"

I think it really is true that if someone really likes it, they will buy the real deal, but if they don't, they won't download from that artist again.

[Tyinsar]

"Discuss " link needs fixing Edit: fixed

This is not the first study to conclude this

Link I have yet to fully read: http://www.cippic.ca/en/faqs-resourc...nusic-industry

[DXR_13KE]

i bet RIAA will make a study to prove the contrary.
and hey, everyone knew this.

[Vaz]

Even the biggest of coroporations are software pirates!

Microsoft for example. If you don't believe me try the following:

Open notepad in Windows.
Select open and goto your Windows Directory (usually C:\Windows\).
Open the "Help" sub-directory.
Open the "Tours" sub-directory.
Open the "WindowsMediaPlayer" sub-directory.
Open the "Audio" sub-directory.
Open the "Wav" sub-directory.
Select any one of those files.

Instead of playing them in MediaPlayer or any other audio software, open the file in Notepad. Now scroll all the way to the bottom.

See those strings "SoundForge 4.5" and "Deepz0ne"? Yep, this means that the file was created with a cracked version of Soundforge, cracked by a cracker called Deepz0ne. Good show Microsoft! Always knew we could rely on you guys for ethical business practices!

(credit goes to someone else for this)
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As for music sales, to be honest these day's people are demanding more quality for there money. Consumers generally are holding onto there money much tigher than before. We can take a number of factors into consideration. Income, substitute products ect ect. For the RIAA to blame piracy is totally ridiculas.

- Vaz

[Lazarus Dark]

I refuse to buy a cd for only one song I like. But if I go on a p2p (maybe once a month for me) I usually check out several songs from a particular artist I have heard to see if I like them. When I dl a couple of songs, it is usually followed by a purchase. This is especially true of european music which I hear very little of here in middle america. I've been a huge Evanescence fan since their early days and dl'd most of their early stuff on limewire, as their early work is not available for sale; another huge reason I suspect for largescale file sharing: live and out of print stuff. But after Evanescence became big I heard of Lacuna Coil and Nightwish in comparisons to Ev. So, as they are never played on US television or radio, I went to limewire and dl'd some of their stuff. Subsequently, I now have all six or seven Lacuna Coil cd's available in the US and several Nightwish cd's. Sales that NEVER would have occured without p2p. And no, my music budget would not have gone to some other artist, I am very picky about my music and don't just buy whatever I can.

Piracy is bad.
But filesharing=sales.

[otispunkmeyer]

heh whatever, theres not much worth buying anyway..thats why sales suck. its all bollocks

the best stuff is live recordings. off the radio or whatever. not the best quality in terms of sound, but easily the best in terms of performance and dynamics.

[ralph.pickering]

It's like I say all along - if I have £x to spend on tunes, and the music I want to listen to is going to cost £x+y, it's not like I'm going to pirate £x+y worth of music and save myself £x. And even if I did, it's not like the recording industry would have lost £x+y worth of sales, just £x at most, because my money isn't suddenly going to increase because I like a lot of music.

In my case I tend to pirate x, y and z and probably most of the rest of the alphabet, copying stuff I don't like, don't yet know that I like, and so forth. But I still spend £x on music because I like having the CDs... I'm just more picky now, as I find a lot of music I never knew existed.

[FIBRE+]

However, at least there is an empirical study now to back up the claim everyone has been saying for years - the people who pirate either weren't going to buy it anyway, or go and buy it afterwards to have a legit copy.

Try before you buy, are we to blame if an album/film is shite

[Cthippo]

This should be permalinked on the front page of bit

All my music anymore (aside from what I buy at shows) comes from a certain site in Russia and I don't feel the least bit guilty about it.

[bilbothebaggins]

Originally Posted by oasked

Its pretty obvious that any study done already by the RIAA is going to be flawed. Its the same as going to, for example, Greenpeace and expecting a balanced argument. All of their data is going to corroborate their viewpoint.

Its all a case of "Lies, damned lies and statistics" again.

Good to see something saying the opposite to the RIAA.

Haha! I find it interesting to compare Greenpeace and the RIAA

Its all a case of "Lies, damned lies and statistics" again.

[randosome]

i know there are a few games I've downloaded, and then gone out an bought, and others i have downloaded, never purchased, but never really played either

I'm so sick of "demo's" where they only offer you like 10 minutes of play or something, most of the time that's just not enough to determine whether you like it

I'm not going "hey there's a big company, i can pirate because their big" Ive downloaded games of small companies too, i don't feel any differently about either, i will only buy a game if its good

I don't do music that much, but that's a similar principle, however there have been some tracks that i have liked, and never even heard if i hadn't downloaded them
On another note, music companies don't keep making old music, so if you want to hear something that's a few years old, you may be plain out of luck if you actually want to buy it

[[USRF]Obiwan]

In my country i have to pay contribution fee for every single recordable media such as dvdr's and cdr's. I bet RIAA did'nt count those numbers to the sale figures. (around 16 mil. euro a year in my country alone) They would never get this amount with regulair store sales alone over here.

RIAA: "Act like a poor man on the frontdoor long enough and someday everybody believes you actually are poor. In the mean time get all the fundings inside through the backdoor..."

[tsutton]

Originally Posted by Vaz

See those strings "SoundForge 4.5" and "Deepz0ne"? Yep, this means that the file was created with a cracked version of Soundforge, cracked by a cracker called Deepz0ne. Good show Microsoft! Always knew we could rely on you guys for ethical business practices!

So? Microsoft didn't even make the sound file! It was from another company who made it and sold it to Microsoft.

Get the fact rights.

[yakyb]

music is **** at the moment when they stop releasing boy band tripe (over in england anyway) ill start getting interested in music again but there honestly has been nothing i would call good released since performance and cocktails (when i say good i mean something that will remain good forever) people rave about the Killers and he arctic monkeys but christ where will they be in 2 years (forgotten?) i still listen to my ten year old metallica albums and whats the story morning glory? hell i even listen to Elton John every now and again because the music is good
Simon Cowell is destroying the music industry with his churned out **** not the pirates. that is why sales are down (if at all)