DRM Free Music: Not as soon as you think - bit-tech.net Forums

Bindibadgi · 26th Feb 2007, 18:03

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/02...not_that_soon/

Firehed · 26th Feb 2007, 18:13

Whatever, their loss. Once they stop screwing me (and the artists), I'll buy music again.

randosome · 26th Feb 2007, 18:57

people will get whatever is cheapest, easiest and most convenient

With DRM on proper music, pirated music is the clear choice of most people

perplekks45 · 26th Feb 2007, 19:46

www.AllOfMp3.com ... 3 $ an album? That's what I'm talking about! IF I did buy music online that would be the place. If only they'd get it that higher prices (10 € for an album where I don't have a CD, cover or ****) meant more piracy...

Spaceraver · 26th Feb 2007, 19:56

transcoding is the key...

Tyinsar · 26th Feb 2007, 20:02

Shouldn't the drastically reduced distribution costs plus the more direct payment system give them WAY more profit per song than traditional distribution systems?

Firehed · 26th Feb 2007, 20:10

Well, certainly, it *should*. Unfortunately, that logical thought process fails to account for corporate greed.

randosome · 26th Feb 2007, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firehed

Well, certainly, it *should*. Unfortunately, that logical thought process fails to account for corporate greed.

QFT basically

I mean, CD's are more expensive then cassettes, DVD's more expensive then video tapes, Its stupid, no wonder people pirate

Tyinsar · 26th Feb 2007, 20:55

Think about this: Music off of the net is copied to hard drives rather than CDs. Sure some is burned to CDs but those are horrendously inefficient compared to hard drives, MP3 players, or even DVDs. This means that fewer disks need to be manufactured, burned, labeled, cased, sold to various middlemen before the end consumer, and most importantly; transported.

Maybe someone should tell them that by going to a model of digital distribution that their consumers want, even at lower prices, they would be reducing costs AND helping to save the environment. - Doesn't the RIAA care about the environment?

(we already know they don't care about their customers or really, even about the individual artists)

David_Fitzy · 26th Feb 2007, 21:05

of course why didn't they think of that sooner,
charge extra for the same pirated stuff that people are paying nothing for, that'll work

GENIUS!
Record/Movie company executives really have terminal cases of STUPID

EDIT: Thing is despite the evilness of their greed, stupidity is the biggest issue
Stop DRM R&D = Less money Spent = More cash in greedy fat cat pockets
Lower Prices = More people buying = More cash in greedy fat cat pockets
Everyone wins

Tyinsar · 26th Feb 2007, 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by randosome

QFT basically

I mean, CD's are more expensive then cassettes, DVD's more expensive then video tapes, Its stupid, no wonder people pirate

And CDs & DVDs cost less to make than the tapes

Their pricing is based on "what the market will bear" - maybe someone should tell them that "the market" is no longer willing to bear this greed from the virtual monopoly that is/are the **AA.

Edit: ok, I'm posting way too much

Kipman725 · 26th Feb 2007, 21:33

I buy cd's... second hand, that is cheap, not illegal, as good qulaity as it's easy to get and most importantly not a penny goes to the RIAA etc.

Then to support the bands I like I go to concerts

DXR_13KE · 26th Feb 2007, 21:48

W.T.F. ARE THEY THINKING???????

randosome · 26th Feb 2007, 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kipman725

I buy cd's... second hand, that is cheap, not illegal, as good qulaity as it's easy to get

thats the most sensible way of buying music these days

Constructacon · 26th Feb 2007, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kipman725

I buy cd's... second hand, that is cheap, not illegal, as good qulaity as it's easy to get and most importantly not a penny goes to the RIAA etc.

It is harder to find second hand, brand new music - but then I can point to at least 20-30 old albums that I'd love to have and can't think of 1 that's been in the top 40 in the last 6 months that I'd ever want to own.

mmorgue · 27th Feb 2007, 12:03

The record companies are worried that DRM free music = unlimited piracy and £0 revenue for them.

Well, if I go onto iTunes, Amazon, Napster, <insert legit online musicshop>, and I spend £30 buying loads of DRM-free songs, albums, etc, which I can play on any of my media devices I want, unrestricted....

Do these morons at the RIAA honestly think *I* am going to freely slap up that music *I* paid for with my money onto P2P or newgroups for free?! Just so every muppet out there can steal off me?! After I paid for it? To hell with that. If other people want DRM free music - go buy it. But I'm not going to give it away after I buy it.

And I think this is what they are missing in their customer business models. Sure, there is piracy and some people you cannot change. But there are legit people out there who want to use/play their music how they want when they buy it. And they aren't going to just give it away for free.

EDIT: oops - had MPAA.. meant RIAA (different sheepskins, same wolves)

Bindibadgi · 27th Feb 2007, 12:05

MPAA = motion picture. RIAA = recording industry

Tulatin · 27th Feb 2007, 15:09

Intresting, they charge more for the same old ****** quality music.

I'd bite this line if they offered DRM free tracks at a buck each, ripped to uberstandard.

26th Feb 2007, 18:03	#1
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26th Feb 2007, 18:13	#2
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	Whatever, their loss. Once they stop screwing me (and the artists), I'll buy music again. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

26th Feb 2007, 19:46	#4
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26th Feb 2007, 19:56	#5
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26th Feb 2007, 20:02	#6
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26th Feb 2007, 18:57	#3
randosome Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 226	people will get whatever is cheapest, easiest and most convenient With DRM on proper music, pirated music is the clear choice of most people

26th Feb 2007, 20:10	#7
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	Well, certainly, it should. Unfortunately, that logical thought process fails to account for corporate greed. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

26th Feb 2007, 20:55	#9
Tyinsar 6 screens / 1 card Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: AB.CA Posts: 2,005	Think about this: Music off of the net is copied to hard drives rather than CDs. Sure some is burned to CDs but those are horrendously inefficient compared to hard drives, MP3 players, or even DVDs. This means that fewer disks need to be manufactured, burned, labeled, cased, sold to various middlemen before the end consumer, and most importantly; transported. Maybe someone should tell them that by going to a model of digital distribution that their consumers want, even at lower prices, they would be reducing costs AND helping to save the environment. - Doesn't the RIAA care about the environment? (we already know they don't care about their customers or really, even about the individual artists) __________________ It's not about how life treats you, it's about how you treat life.

26th Feb 2007, 21:05	#10
David_Fitzy Multimodder Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kiwiland Posts: 197	of course why didn't they think of that sooner, charge extra for the same pirated stuff that people are paying nothing for, that'll work GENIUS! Record/Movie company executives really have terminal cases of STUPID EDIT: Thing is despite the evilness of their greed, stupidity is the biggest issue Stop DRM R&D = Less money Spent = More cash in greedy fat cat pockets Lower Prices = More people buying = More cash in greedy fat cat pockets Everyone wins __________________ Duel of the Duals! Athlon XP2400+ \| Generic FX5200 \| SOYO Platinum Dragon Ultra \| 1GB Crucial Ram \| Maxtor PATA 7200 HDDs: 2x40Gb (RAID0), 2x200Gb(RAID0) \| Jeantech Phong case \| Black DVD-everything \| Black Skythe Kama-meter \| dreaded blue LED fans (didn't read the description properly) At least it's all one colour scheme now

26th Feb 2007, 21:33	#12
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26th Feb 2007, 21:48	#13
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27th Feb 2007, 12:03	#16
mmorgue Supermodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mos Eisley, in the bar... Posts: 378	The record companies are worried that DRM free music = unlimited piracy and £0 revenue for them. Well, if I go onto iTunes, Amazon, Napster, <insert legit online musicshop>, and I spend £30 buying loads of DRM-free songs, albums, etc, which I can play on any of my media devices I want, unrestricted.... Do these morons at the RIAA honestly think I am going to freely slap up that music I paid for with my money onto P2P or newgroups for free?! Just so every muppet out there can steal off me?! After I paid for it? To hell with that. If other people want DRM free music - go buy it. But I'm not going to give it away after I buy it. And I think this is what they are missing in their customer business models. Sure, there is piracy and some people you cannot change. But there are legit people out there who want to use/play their music how they want when they buy it. And they aren't going to just give it away for free. EDIT: oops - had MPAA.. meant RIAA (different sheepskins, same wolves)

27th Feb 2007, 12:05	#17
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27th Feb 2007, 15:09	#18
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