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Da Dego · 21st Mar 2007, 13:17

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/03...s_coming_soon/

LAGMonkey · 21st Mar 2007, 15:11

So what is being said in the article is that now for the first time there are Digital Sat and cable PCI cards that will take a Common Interface and smart card thus allowing to you view Pay TV services without the need of a set top box?

I may have missed somthing but if thats what is being said then im afraid its incorrect.
Twinhan has a range of cards for Sat (DVB-S) Cable (DVB-C) and Terrestrial (DVB-T) that allow the use of a smart card.

the sat tuner can be found HERE

and you can get it from different sources although they are from the continent

these bods sell it (found using google)

EDIT:: just done some searching and that CableCARD thing is somthing new to me! I wonder if itll fit into the product above that ive mentioned?

EDIT2:: Just remembered as well that there is already a way of getting access to the scrambled screen if you have a digital TV card. I believe the program is called "Poor mans CAM" its an emmulator that provided you have a legal smartcard (and reader) itll emulate the Comman Access Module (Nigra, SECA etc.) and decrypt the signal.

David_Fitzy · 21st Mar 2007, 15:29

MPAA always spoil our fun, I've been looking forward to a digital tuner which accepts smartcards. I doubt that the BIOS lock will last very long in the hands of a hacking group.

Anakha · 21st Mar 2007, 16:10

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Originally Posted by LAGMonkey

EDIT2:: Just remembered as well that there is already a way of getting access to the scrambled screen if you have a digital TV card. I believe the program is called "Poor mans CAM" its an emmulator that provided you have a legal smartcard (and reader) itll emulate the Comman Access Module (Nigra, SECA etc.) and decrypt the signal.

You mean something like sasc-ng, which is a SoftCam (Software emulated Conditional Access Module) implemented as a "Virtual" DVB card, so even if your software doesn't support SoftCAM directly (Many don't, for legal reasons, as SoftCAMs have dubious legality in most places, though are just fine and dandy here in Canada) it won't know/care that the CAM you're using isn't an actual physical card.

SoftCAMs are legal here in Canada because of a wonderful law we have. If someone beams a radio/tv/satellite signal onto your property, and there is no retail or legal way to buy it (Like Dish Network, who do not accept Canadian subscribers), it is perfectly legal for you to descramble and view the signal, as you are in no way defrauding the company supplying the signal ('cause you can't get it anway).

sinizterguy · 21st Mar 2007, 16:24

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Originally Posted by Anakha

If someone beams a radio/tv/satellite signal onto your property, and there is no retail or legal way to buy it (Like Dish Network, who do not accept Canadian subscribers), it is perfectly legal for you to descramble and view the signal, as you are in no way defrauding the company supplying the signal ('cause you can't get it anway).

If that is true, that is pretty cool.

LAGMonkey · 21st Mar 2007, 16:51

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Originally Posted by Anakha

You mean something like sasc-ng, which is a SoftCam (Software emulated Conditional Access Module) implemented as a "Virtual" DVB card, so even if your software doesn't support SoftCAM directly (Many don't, for legal reasons, as SoftCAMs have dubious legality in most places, though are just fine and dandy here in Canada) it won't know/care that the CAM you're using isn't an actual physical card.

Bingo, thats exactly what i mean! I currently own a DBox2 and use it for streaming Video and Music to my TV over my network. That COULD have the ability (if i enabled it and had access to Virgin Media's Cable network) to view encrypted channels using its built in SoftCAMS such as mgCAM.

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Originally Posted by Anakha

SoftCAMs are legal here in Canada because of a wonderful law we have. If someone beams a radio/tv/satellite signal onto your property, and there is no retail or legal way to buy it (Like Dish Network, who do not accept Canadian subscribers), it is perfectly legal for you to descramble and view the signal, as you are in no way defrauding the company supplying the signal ('cause you can't get it anway).

And thats just fantastic, always good to hear that there are some sensable people out there in this world.

Disclaimer, Stealing TV is BAD (VERY BAD) and is illegal in the UK. its just not worth the time or the effort.

Tulatin · 21st Mar 2007, 22:32

Stealing? I guess we're also stealing the radio too.

Am i the ONLY one of us all who is appaled by the "oem only" crap?

sinizterguy · 21st Mar 2007, 23:25

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Originally Posted by Tulatin

Stealing? I guess we're also stealing the radio too.

Am i the ONLY one of us all who is appaled by the "oem only" crap?

No. But I am sure something or the other will turn up.

LAGMonkey · 22nd Mar 2007, 00:38

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Originally Posted by Tulatin

Stealing? I guess we're also stealing the radio too.

Am i the ONLY one of us all who is appaled by the "oem only" crap?

I think i need to clarify the point i was making. In the UK its classed as stealing if i WERE to un-encrypt pay for TV so that i could watch it for free. In canada there are different rules and it could be different.

On the "OEM only" notation i too am very appaled by it.

Sord_Fish · 22nd Mar 2007, 00:53

Now all they need to do is a sky version!

I think the oems only rule is apceptable for now mainly as they get to be guinea pigs, but im sure they will eventually be selling them retail once they've locked the content down.

sinizterguy · 22nd Mar 2007, 01:23

Sky or Virgin - Either should be OK.

LAGMonkey · 22nd Mar 2007, 09:17

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Originally Posted by Sord_Fish

Now all they need to do is a sky version!

well they do, but the problem at the moment is that the software for it all to work together is a bit.....naff

But if you REALLY fancy it, you need one of those DVB-S or DVB-C cards that have a CI (common interface) slot. Then you need a CAM to fit into said slot and then you can use your virgin or sky digital card which is placed into the CAM.

Sord_Fish · 22nd Mar 2007, 12:54

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Originally Posted by LAGMonkey

well they do, but the problem at the moment is that the software for it all to work together is a bit.....naff

But if you REALLY fancy it, you need one of those DVB-S or DVB-C cards that have a CI (common interface) slot. Then you need a CAM to fit into said slot and then you can use your virgin or sky digital card which is placed into the CAM.

Thanks for the info! I didn't know the you could get a sky compatible CAM. I've read about them when i was researching my HTPC and thought it was for just fta and not sky.

I think when i upgrade to play HD i think i'll be checking them out.

21st Mar 2007, 13:17	#1
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21st Mar 2007, 15:11	#2
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21st Mar 2007, 22:32	#7
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Sord_Fish Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: B'pool, England Posts: 265	Now all they need to do is a sky version! I think the oems only rule is apceptable for now mainly as they get to be guinea pigs, but im sure they will eventually be selling them retail once they've locked the content down.