UK Government to tackle Cyber-bullying - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 10th Apr 2007, 10:11

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/04...Cyberbullying/

DougEdey · 10th Apr 2007, 10:17

Personal responsibility should be taught from birth, you cannot blame someone else for your own mistakes.

CardJoe · 10th Apr 2007, 10:47

I personally don't see the point of this. Youtube has a set of terms and conditions and polices itself as best it can to try and stop things like pornography and bullying getting on the site. It is the fault of the bullys who post such videos and not that of the website, unless the website actively encourages such behaviour. Youtube doesn't, it's a blank canvas for others to use.

What would be helpful would be to make sites like Youtube more readily available to the staff that tackle bullying so that the videos can be used as proof to help stop bullying. This would discourage people from posting such content and allow bullies to be caught more easily, without always causing embaressment to the victim.

specofdust · 10th Apr 2007, 11:30

Problem is, if you walk around with a blank white(or any colour) t-shirt and someone writes die n*****s on that t-shirt, you have to take it off. Especially if you've been inviting people to write on your t-shirt.

I do think we just need way tougher dicipline against bad kids in schools. I have a nasty feeling that Mr. Johnson belongs to the "if it moves, ban it" brigade.

CardJoe · 10th Apr 2007, 11:37

True, but if you ask people to write on your t-shirt but say they can't draw rude pictures or put anything too nasty on it but you end up being flocked by twenty people with pens wanting to write on your t-shirt, one of whom scrawls the word f**k on the back of your collar then it's not entirely your fault is it? Not if you try to stop that person and pledge to wash off that word as soon as you can.

specofdust · 10th Apr 2007, 11:42

Well I'd think that it very crucially depends upon how seriously you take action. Youtube could allocate anywhere from a single person to 10% of their entire workforce just to the job of taking down videos that aren't supposed to be up there. Depending how much effort they put into it, it wouldn't surprise me if groups or governments take action against them.

I'm not saying it's right, just saying I think it's the case. Total freedom only works with responsible adults, and we live in a world of children(old and young).

DXR_13KE · 10th Apr 2007, 13:12

Parents should be more responsible with their children and teach them right from wrong.

Aankhen · 10th Apr 2007, 23:22

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Originally Posted by CardJoe

True, but if you ask people to write on your t-shirt but say they can't draw rude pictures or put anything too nasty on it but you end up being flocked by twenty people with pens wanting to write on your t-shirt, one of whom scrawls the word f**k on the back of your collar then it's not entirely your fault is it? Not if you try to stop that person and pledge to wash off that word as soon as you can.

Yeah, it is your fault. If you can't make sure people stay within the boundaries you set for them, then don't make the implicit promise that you can by allowing them to do what they like in the first place.

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE

Parents should be more responsible with their children and teach them right from wrong.

That's easy to say, not very easy to enforce, unfortunately.

CardJoe · 11th Apr 2007, 08:49

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Originally Posted by Aankhen

Yeah, it is your fault. If you can't make sure people stay within the boundaries you set for them, then don't make the implicit promise that you can by allowing them to do what they like in the first place.

That's easy to say, not very easy to enforce, unfortunately.

Surely then everything is everyones fault. Nobody can completely ensure that people stay within the laws of a country for example, which is why we have a police force, though even they act as much to clean up the mess after the event has occurred.

Laws and rules operate on the basis that people pledge to stand by them or suffer consequences afterwards, not on the basis that others make it impossible to break the rules. If that was the case then countries wouldn't need laws and Youtube wouldn't have/need terms and conditions.

Aankhen · 12th Apr 2007, 21:20

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Originally Posted by CardJoe

Surely then everything is everyones fault.

In fact, it is.

And "everyone" there really means "everyone" equally.

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CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	True, but if you ask people to write on your t-shirt but say they can't draw rude pictures or put anything too nasty on it but you end up being flocked by twenty people with pens wanting to write on your t-shirt, one of whom scrawls the word f*k on the back of your collar then it's not entirely your fault is it? Not if you try to stop that person and pledge to wash off that word as soon as you can. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog*

10th Apr 2007, 11:42	#6
specofdust Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 7,607	Well I'd think that it very crucially depends upon how seriously you take action. Youtube could allocate anywhere from a single person to 10% of their entire workforce just to the job of taking down videos that aren't supposed to be up there. Depending how much effort they put into it, it wouldn't surprise me if groups or governments take action against them. I'm not saying it's right, just saying I think it's the case. Total freedom only works with responsible adults, and we live in a world of children(old and young). __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Mmm bop!

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