Microsoft sells only 244 Vista copies in China - bit-tech.net Forums

Da Dego · 19th Apr 2007, 18:31

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/04...pies_in_china/

Tyinsar · 19th Apr 2007, 19:05

Somehow I doubt MS's strategy of a cheap XP version would work in China. I'm guessing MS still prefers the current situation to a strong alternative coming from China.

Spaceraver · 19th Apr 2007, 19:27

allow me to grin me arse off. China dont care 2 bits of a tadpole's arriere if microsoft complains or not. as long as they arent involved themselves.

Nature · 19th Apr 2007, 20:23

An unchangable problem at this time. Though no one really uses Vista, Windows XP Pro & Office is like shareware

. The difference between piracy here and in England or Le states is that most people (and more importantly businesses) still buy the legitimate way where as China only has the illegitimate way.

If all the businesses and Schools in this country paid what we pay for Windows and office, well.... They'd change to Linux!

Lenny_Nero · 19th Apr 2007, 20:35

I think this has more to say about Vista than software theft in China.
You could give me copies of XP and Vista (I have been with XP) and I would not use them, Win2000 is still by far the best M$ OS, and going to be the longest supported from the last time I read the M$ lifeline page.

antiHero · 19th Apr 2007, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nature

If all the businesses and Schools in this country paid what we pay for Windows and office, well.... They'd change to Linux!

I`ve seen a documentary about the Chinese Government changing complitly to Red Flag linux, a redhat based linux specially coded for them. I like the idea.

Ok back on topic. 244 copies? You must be kiddin. There most be stores who sold more then that in the launch week.

L2wis · 19th Apr 2007, 22:31

lol unless there was a lucky lucky man outside every store selling knock offs :P

DXR_13KE · 19th Apr 2007, 22:58

that is pathetic.

plug_in_ross · 20th Apr 2007, 00:23

What a perfect place to hold the IDF then!

Even though that probably has no relevance what so ever

GoodBytes · 20th Apr 2007, 02:38

I think some stores got offer a better % of profit, per Vista copy sold.
Yet that does not come from MS but some counter-fit group.
That COULD be one of many reason it only sold ~200 copies.

Also, I think that even if Vista was sold at 50$ for the Ultimate... they would have similar results. Just spread to other countries (as export of the 50$ copies would be done)

Even if MS made a special version with extra software protection, the pirates would simply use the Europe or US version of Vista.

This problem, I beleive, is due to the lack of intervention of piracy in China by the government. (probably because MS is a western company)

Lucidity · 20th Apr 2007, 05:28

I love how nobody really reads the article accept the guy above me. This is not a sales issue it is a piracy issue.

Tyinsar · 20th Apr 2007, 06:23

^^^

I think we had already figured that out and thus did not see a need to repeat it.

Ramble · 20th Apr 2007, 08:23

People are also forgetting that Vista costs the same over there as it does in the states, yet a huge number of people earn hardly anything.

Lazarus Dark · 20th Apr 2007, 11:42

So, lets think about this. If MS had not wasted money on advertising there, probably millions, how much less would ultimate have cost the rest of us? Even fifty bucks off the current price would be nice, though it still feels like highway robbery.

Regenesis · 20th Apr 2007, 12:39

That's ridiculous! A whole country only purchases 244 legit copies? The population is massive and isn't China a major holder of many net surfers so shouldn't they at least have bought a home edition? The numbers should show rather then a measly count of two hundred rather compared to a million possible users. However, Ramble's right about the cost and how an extreme majority of them can not afford it. Still... the thought just puts me out of place, especially where 90% of the country just cheats the system. It just doesn't settle. I can see what L2wis stated happen but I have this relentless nagging guess that even retailers there (who look official) are doing the same thing. It'd explain MS' short comings in my opinion based on the fact that more then half the country are pirates.

^Yarg.

(Sorry couldn't help myself.)

scq · 20th Apr 2007, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny_Nero

I think this has more to say about Vista than software theft in China.
You could give me copies of XP and Vista (I have been with XP) and I would not use them, Win2000 is still by far the best M$ OS, and going to be the longest supported from the last time I read the M$ lifeline page.

Well, I'm willing to bet anything there were more copies of Vista being used than 244. It's true that some people have reservations about upgrading, but for one of the fastest growing economic centers, the largest population, and undoubtedly millions of computer users, you'd think there would be more than 244 legitimate keys distributed to a long-awaited OS.

zndkwin · 20th Apr 2007, 21:27

Well, Vista isn't probably worth buying until at least sp2 comes out, around 2010

GoodBytes · 20th Apr 2007, 22:32

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zndkwin
wtf?!?

in 2010, I think MS would release a new version of Windows...
The ONLY reason why XP had XP2, was because Longhorn was not ready, yet. So basically SP2 had some of bug fixes and feature (Windows Firewall) that were supposed to be for Longhorn.

I think if you have a end-2005 to now, computer and you spend at least 1k Can (custom build), you should be good for Vista. Maybe a RAM upgrade at most but that IS ALL.

Anyway, I don't think that SP1 will come out for Vista. Or it will just be an update pack... (so you have 1 update instead of 1000) no new features.
We have to wait and see...

The problem with you and many, is that you look at the cover, and go "oh a new skin, that sucks..." BUT THAT WAS THE SAME FOR XP! You have to look under the hood:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technic..._Windows_Vista
AND
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature..._Windows_Vista

I don't know about you, but the list is VERY long.... And for me I find it VERY interesting.

Just the fact of having this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vista_Shutdown.gif
and
"Skip file" button on the CUT/COPY/DELETE/MOVE dialog box
and
All the annoying bugs like application stealing focus, tool tip does not appear above Start-bar, and others, fixed
and lastly,
DirectX10, SuperFetch, ReadyBoost (both of them, explains why it uses more RAM), ReadyDrive, and way better resource management
is already enough for me to buy the retail copy of it.

If you think it's useless... well here the perfect windows for you:
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/g...-windows-1.jpg
In fact I think that might be a bit too much for you

Sorry just kidding!

And for the fun of it:
http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.p...796d8/2a5917cd

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DougEdey · 20th Apr 2007, 22:57

Just to illustrate the state of piracy in China.

I have a friend doing his placement out there and he gets offered any piece of software new or old for 0.50€ (50 cents).

zndkwin · 21st Apr 2007, 00:31

Why would someone spend $3 for a crippled windows when they can get a full working one for $1.50? startling

19th Apr 2007, 18:31	#1
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19th Apr 2007, 19:05	#2
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19th Apr 2007, 19:27	#3
Spaceraver Weekend Junkie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kolding, Denmark Posts: 1,304	allow me to grin me arse off. China dont care 2 bits of a tadpole's arriere if microsoft complains or not. as long as they arent involved themselves. __________________ "Faith: not wanting to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche. "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca Last thing I remember, I was drinking this glowing green sht out of a test tube and dancing like a bstard.

19th Apr 2007, 20:23	#4
Nature Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jinan, China Posts: 417	An unchangable problem at this time. Though no one really uses Vista, Windows XP Pro & Office is like shareware. The difference between piracy here and in England or Le states is that most people (and more importantly businesses) still buy the legitimate way where as China only has the illegitimate way. If all the businesses and Schools in this country paid what we pay for Windows and office, well.... They'd change to Linux! __________________ Peace, Love, Empathy, Respect, Generosity, Smiles, and Hugs

19th Apr 2007, 20:35	#5
Lenny_Nero Minimodder Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: London south of the river Posts: 21	I think this has more to say about Vista than software theft in China. You could give me copies of XP and Vista (I have been with XP) and I would not use them, Win2000 is still by far the best M$ OS, and going to be the longest supported from the last time I read the M$ lifeline page. __________________ ASUS A7N8X nForce 2 2GHz AMD Tbred 2GB, Radeon 9550 Seasonic S12 Win2000/slackware LG GSA-4167B LiteOn SHM-165P6S & Asus CRW-5232A Sony CPD-E500 via KVM - 4x Maxtor 200GB WD 74 GB --- RDX200 CF-DR AMD 4200x2 (LDBFE) CNPS9500 Eclipse62 Corsair HX620 Raptor 74's 2 GB G.SKILL PC4000 x1650XT 24Pipe GDDR3 LG GSA H42N - Lite0n SOHW-832S NEC ND-3550A Optiarc AD-5170A Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200

19th Apr 2007, 22:31	#7
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20th Apr 2007, 02:38	#10
GoodBytes mother into a board?! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada, Montreal Posts: 3,451	I think some stores got offer a better % of profit, per Vista copy sold. Yet that does not come from MS but some counter-fit group. That COULD be one of many reason it only sold ~200 copies. Also, I think that even if Vista was sold at 50$ for the Ultimate... they would have similar results. Just spread to other countries (as export of the 50$ copies would be done) Even if MS made a special version with extra software protection, the pirates would simply use the Europe or US version of Vista. This problem, I beleive, is due to the lack of intervention of piracy in China by the government. (probably because MS is a western company) __________________ AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ S939 \| 3GB of Corsair/Kingston (mix) RAM @ 400Mhz 3-3-3-8-2T \| ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe \| Geforce 260 GTX \| X-Fi XtreamMusic \| Western Digital 250GB SATA-II 16MB of Buffer \| Corsair HX620W \| Antec SOLO case \| Monitor: 24inch Dell U2410 \| Win 7 64-bit Go for Pro!

20th Apr 2007, 05:28	#11
Lucidity Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NC Posts: 139	I love how nobody really reads the article accept the guy above me. This is not a sales issue it is a piracy issue. __________________ [size=1]AMD 64 6000+ X2, Asus M2N SLI Deluxe, 4 GBs of Corsair XMS 6400 ram, Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS 320mb

20th Apr 2007, 06:23	#12
Tyinsar 6 screens / 1 card Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: AB.CA Posts: 2,005	^^^ I think we had already figured that out and thus did not see a need to repeat it. __________________ It's not about how life treats you, it's about how you treat life.

20th Apr 2007, 08:23	#13
Ramble Ginger Nut Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Exeter, Devon/Wantage, Oxfordshire Posts: 5,233	People are also forgetting that Vista costs the same over there as it does in the states, yet a huge number of people earn hardly anything. __________________ Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Ensign Ricky are beaming down to the planet. Guess who's not coming back.

20th Apr 2007, 11:42	#14
Lazarus Dark Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Memphis, TN Posts: 291	So, lets think about this. If MS had not wasted money on advertising there, probably millions, how much less would ultimate have cost the rest of us? Even fifty bucks off the current price would be nice, though it still feels like highway robbery. __________________ My gun kata is greater than your kung fu.

20th Apr 2007, 12:39	#15
Regenesis What's a Dremel? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winterpeg, Canada Posts: 13	That's ridiculous! A whole country only purchases 244 legit copies? The population is massive and isn't China a major holder of many net surfers so shouldn't they at least have bought a home edition? The numbers should show rather then a measly count of two hundred rather compared to a million possible users. However, Ramble's right about the cost and how an extreme majority of them can not afford it. Still... the thought just puts me out of place, especially where 90% of the country just cheats the system. It just doesn't settle. I can see what L2wis stated happen but I have this relentless nagging guess that even retailers there (who look official) are doing the same thing. It'd explain MS' short comings in my opinion based on the fact that more then half the country are pirates. ^Yarg. (Sorry couldn't help myself.)

20th Apr 2007, 21:27	#17
zndkwin Minimodder Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 34	Well, Vista isn't probably worth buying until at least sp2 comes out, around 2010

20th Apr 2007, 22:32	#18
GoodBytes mother into a board?! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada, Montreal Posts: 3,451	OFF TOPIC: ------------------------------------------------------ zndkwin wtf?!? in 2010, I think MS would release a new version of Windows... The ONLY reason why XP had XP2, was because Longhorn was not ready, yet. So basically SP2 had some of bug fixes and feature (Windows Firewall) that were supposed to be for Longhorn. I think if you have a end-2005 to now, computer and you spend at least 1k Can (custom build), you should be good for Vista. Maybe a RAM upgrade at most but that IS ALL. Anyway, I don't think that SP1 will come out for Vista. Or it will just be an update pack... (so you have 1 update instead of 1000) no new features. We have to wait and see... The problem with you and many, is that you look at the cover, and go "oh a new skin, that sucks..." BUT THAT WAS THE SAME FOR XP! You have to look under the hood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technic..._Windows_Vista AND http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature..._Windows_Vista I don't know about you, but the list is VERY long.... And for me I find it VERY interesting. Just the fact of having this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vista_Shutdown.gif and "Skip file" button on the CUT/COPY/DELETE/MOVE dialog box and All the annoying bugs like application stealing focus, tool tip does not appear above Start-bar, and others, fixed and lastly, DirectX10, SuperFetch, ReadyBoost (both of them, explains why it uses more RAM), ReadyDrive, and way better resource management is already enough for me to buy the retail copy of it. If you think it's useless... well here the perfect windows for you: http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/g...-windows-1.jpg In fact I think that might be a bit too much for you Sorry just kidding! And for the fun of it: http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.p...796d8/2a5917cd END OFFTOPIC: ------------------------------------------------------ __________________ AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ S939 \| 3GB of Corsair/Kingston (mix) RAM @ 400Mhz 3-3-3-8-2T \| ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe \| Geforce 260 GTX \| X-Fi XtreamMusic \| Western Digital 250GB SATA-II 16MB of Buffer \| Corsair HX620W \| Antec SOLO case \| Monitor: 24inch Dell U2410 \| Win 7 64-bit Go for Pro! Last edited by GoodBytes; 20th Apr 2007 at 23:18.

20th Apr 2007, 22:57	#19
DougEdey I pwn all your storage Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 13,933	Just to illustrate the state of piracy in China. I have a friend doing his placement out there and he gets offered any piece of software new or old for 0.50€ (50 cents). __________________ Burnout: Paradise Stats!XBL: DougEdey Bindi PSN ID: DougEdey Twitter

21st Apr 2007, 00:31	#20
zndkwin Minimodder Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 34	Why would someone spend $3 for a crippled windows when they can get a full working one for $1.50? startling