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Tim S · 1st May 2007, 10:50

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/05...e_joost/1.html

g3n3tiX · 1st May 2007, 11:00

I'm looking for an invite, so if anyone around's got one... thanks.

Very looking forward to it, but I didn't know we would have to pay for it when the beta is over, although I guessed it.
Tim, what's your internet connection ? What is the minimum to be confortable ?
EDIT : saw the lag issues...

yodasarmpit · 1st May 2007, 11:03

We had James Murdoch in the office recently, and when talking about Sky's future he outright dismissed net TV for Sky (in the near future), simply because the current level of tech can't support the quality that Satellite/Cable/Terrestrial can deliver.

We are not there yet, but be in no doubt this is the future, truly on demand content.

DougEdey · 1st May 2007, 11:14

Good review, I was concerned about what the quality would be like on standard use broadband.

What internet connection did you have by the way? 512K, 8MB, 24MB? Was it Cable or ADSL.

zr_ox · 1st May 2007, 11:45

Nice review.

I would love to use it and hope 4MB connection is sufficient.

Does anyone have an invite they are willing to give me?

1e8o · 1st May 2007, 12:57

Interesting, this is defenently the future

fev · 1st May 2007, 13:02

loving joost at the moment, spesh for the kids tv

however because i'm a UK user i don't get national geographic or comedy central, i have to go and turn on ntl/vm for that

alextwo · 1st May 2007, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by fev

however because i'm a UK user i don't get national geographic or comedy central

It would be nice to see these available to us UK users, can't see it happening though. But for a free service, it's actually really good.

buchans · 1st May 2007, 13:35

I have beta and even on a 2meg connection it was suprisingly smooth and no pauses etc. VERY impressed and if the content is right I'll be happy to pay for it

ZenX · 1st May 2007, 17:01

Nice, and if anyone has an invite i'd love one :P

BioSniper · 1st May 2007, 17:35

I've also not noticed any dramatic quality issues apart from different channels seem to be encoded differently.
National Geographic and I believe MTV aren't available to us in the UK however and I found the quality of the available programs to be poor or shows that I've seen before, obviously though it's still in beta but I find myself only watching it maybe every couple of days due to the lack of anything I enjoy actually being on there, which equates to about my normal TV viewing anyway.

g3n3tiX · 1st May 2007, 17:46

invites are so rare nowadays !! Wish someone in the BT community could spare me one.
(i'm only saying this because I want one)

Firehed · 1st May 2007, 18:51

I've also got the beta... performance, even at college, is rather poor (although our connection is awful, and I'm pretty sure that the traffic gets throttled to boot), and I'm rather disappointed by both the video quality and the actual amount of content available. As net connections get faster and more companies sign on, that should theoretically go away, so not all hope is lost.

It's an amazing concept to say the least. But without some real improvement, you'd be nuts to pay for it.

Anyways, I've got a few invites left (I got three, sent them out pretty quick, and got five more, just gave a couple of those away too) - lemme know if you want one

Da Dego · 1st May 2007, 20:51

A side note - at the time of writing, I was unaware that Joost has made a recent announcement that it will remain free to use as a service, instead being promoted by advertising revenue. I wish I could find the sources for my original assertion that it will be subscription based, but I will change the article to reflect this information. In effect, this is a little more worrying to me - there don't seem to be enough ads to support the content that Joost is offering.

My internet connection at the time is a 1MB Cable, Doug

DougEdey · 1st May 2007, 20:56

I'm not sure what the cable specs are in the US, is it 440~k up or 250~ or higher?

2shae · 1st May 2007, 21:29

I have been in joost beta for ages, its an allright service, i wish they had mythbusters and the simpsons, those shows would be watched all the time, i have a 5mb line at work and never have these issues with quality

Pie_uk · 1st May 2007, 22:41

when can i get this? how much is it? is it going to be free? or only if you're invoted by a friend? i dont get it lol but i would like it

Emon · 1st May 2007, 22:56

Fifth Gear sucks. >_>

Redbeaver · 2nd May 2007, 02:01

good: 2mb pipe cable is good enough for quality shows here in canada, no lag other than waiting for it to start....quality is great, altho not excellent. easy to use, etc.
bad: no NationalGeographic channel here in BETA in Canada.... other channels are pretty much crappy....

summary: not enough content for Canadian viewer. without content, quality and technology is useless.... id just turn on my TV and thats the end of it... sorry...

loratio · 2nd May 2007, 03:38

Just thought I'd give my €0.02 concerning the video quality

From what I've seen it seems like the few times you actually get a really clean couple of frames is right after a keyframe, but only until the content changes more or less dramatically.

What that tells me is they've encoded this video with too few keyframes and at an awful bitrate using a lousy encoder...

Hopefully they'll deliver some greater encodings with more accurate keyframing once the service goes out of beta.

Otherwise I don't see myself using it.

BTW I'm on a 20mbit line and I get lag and really low res as well. I hope that's why it's beta.

1st May 2007, 10:50	#1
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1st May 2007, 11:00	#2
g3n3tiX Resident frenchie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: localhost Posts: 591	I'm looking for an invite, so if anyone around's got one... thanks. Very looking forward to it, but I didn't know we would have to pay for it when the beta is over, although I guessed it. Tim, what's your internet connection ? What is the minimum to be confortable ? EDIT : saw the lag issues... __________________ I also have a MTBF. Last edited by g3n3tiX; 1st May 2007 at 11:08.

1st May 2007, 11:03	#3
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1st May 2007, 11:14	#4
DougEdey I pwn all your storage Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 13,933	Good review, I was concerned about what the quality would be like on standard use broadband. What internet connection did you have by the way? 512K, 8MB, 24MB? Was it Cable or ADSL. __________________ Burnout: Paradise Stats!XBL: DougEdey Bindi PSN ID: DougEdey Twitter

1st May 2007, 11:45	#5
zr_ox Whooolapoook Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Stalking Orco Posts: 1,117	Nice review. I would love to use it and hope 4MB connection is sufficient. Does anyone have an invite they are willing to give me? __________________ 0ptimizm :PC under review

1st May 2007, 12:57	#6
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1st May 2007, 13:02	#7
fev Corporate Whore Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Tesco - On Beanbag, Games Playing Office Posts: 2,885	loving joost at the moment, spesh for the kids tv however because i'm a UK user i don't get national geographic or comedy central, i have to go and turn on ntl/vm for that __________________ I know what I'm doing... do you? Follow me on Twitter..go on

1st May 2007, 13:35	#9
buchans Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: scotland Posts: 395	I have beta and even on a 2meg connection it was suprisingly smooth and no pauses etc. VERY impressed and if the content is right I'll be happy to pay for it __________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stranglet: ASUS M2N32-SLI DLX WiFi, AM2 5000+ (DD TDX), 7950GT 512Mb (EK-FC79), 2Gb OCZ DDR2 Plat Rev2, Petras Tech Laing DDC Pump in a Antec P180 ext. WACC P/A 1M res. & XSPC 3x120 Crossflow rad. My EU nick : Kygon (NotA)

1st May 2007, 17:01	#10
ZenX How are you gentlemen? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Vantaa, Finland Posts: 161	Nice, and if anyone has an invite i'd love one :P __________________ Can't think of anything to put here..

1st May 2007, 17:35	#11
BioSniper I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere in the south Posts: 3,460	I've also not noticed any dramatic quality issues apart from different channels seem to be encoded differently. National Geographic and I believe MTV aren't available to us in the UK however and I found the quality of the available programs to be poor or shows that I've seen before, obviously though it's still in beta but I find myself only watching it maybe every couple of days due to the lack of anything I enjoy actually being on there, which equates to about my normal TV viewing anyway. __________________ My Flickr :: Bit-tech Flickr Wii: 1792 1527 2926 7945 :: Xbox Live: BioSnipr :: PSN: Biosnipr

1st May 2007, 17:46	#12
g3n3tiX Resident frenchie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: localhost Posts: 591	invites are so rare nowadays !! Wish someone in the BT community could spare me one. (i'm only saying this because I want one) __________________ I also have a MTBF.

1st May 2007, 18:51	#13
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	I've also got the beta... performance, even at college, is rather poor (although our connection is awful, and I'm pretty sure that the traffic gets throttled to boot), and I'm rather disappointed by both the video quality and the actual amount of content available. As net connections get faster and more companies sign on, that should theoretically go away, so not all hope is lost. It's an amazing concept to say the least. But without some real improvement, you'd be nuts to pay for it. Anyways, I've got a few invites left (I got three, sent them out pretty quick, and got five more, just gave a couple of those away too) - lemme know if you want one __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

1st May 2007, 20:51	#14
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	A side note - at the time of writing, I was unaware that Joost has made a recent announcement that it will remain free to use as a service, instead being promoted by advertising revenue. I wish I could find the sources for my original assertion that it will be subscription based, but I will change the article to reflect this information. In effect, this is a little more worrying to me - there don't seem to be enough ads to support the content that Joost is offering. My internet connection at the time is a 1MB Cable, Doug __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo Last edited by Da Dego; 1st May 2007 at 21:03.

1st May 2007, 20:56	#15
DougEdey I pwn all your storage Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 13,933	I'm not sure what the cable specs are in the US, is it 440~k up or 250~ or higher? __________________ Burnout: Paradise Stats!XBL: DougEdey Bindi PSN ID: DougEdey Twitter

1st May 2007, 21:29	#16
2shae What's a Dremel? Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 15	I have been in joost beta for ages, its an allright service, i wish they had mythbusters and the simpsons, those shows would be watched all the time, i have a 5mb line at work and never have these issues with quality

1st May 2007, 22:41	#17
Pie_uk here... take a slice of my pie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,238	when can i get this? how much is it? is it going to be free? or only if you're invoted by a friend? i dont get it lol but i would like it __________________ Im a MAC

1st May 2007, 22:56	#18
Emon Hypermodder Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 672	Fifth Gear sucks. >_>

2nd May 2007, 02:01	#19
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2nd May 2007, 03:38	#20
loratio What's a Dremel? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 11	Just thought I'd give my €0.02 concerning the video quality From what I've seen it seems like the few times you actually get a really clean couple of frames is right after a keyframe, but only until the content changes more or less dramatically. What that tells me is they've encoded this video with too few keyframes and at an awful bitrate using a lousy encoder... Hopefully they'll deliver some greater encodings with more accurate keyframing once the service goes out of beta. Otherwise I don't see myself using it. BTW I'm on a 20mbit line and I get lag and really low res as well. I hope that's why it's beta.