Child abuse in Second Life? - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 14th May 2007, 11:23

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/05..._second_life/1

bilbothebaggins · 14th May 2007, 11:38

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Originally Posted by article

Second Life is a complete virtual world entirely filled with user generated content,

Which is exactly the reason why this was bound to happen.

AcidJiles · 14th May 2007, 12:29

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Originally Posted by bilbothebaggins

Which is exactly the reason why this was bound to happen.

as with anything created by man it will be corrupted. I just hope there isnt a huge backlash on the producers who obivously never wanted this especaially with how german is jumping up and down or killspie games

olly_lewis · 14th May 2007, 12:30

"Show me on the doll where the Second Life avatar touched you"

capnPedro · 14th May 2007, 13:42

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Also under investigation are so called 'age play' groups, which revolve around the abuse of virtual children and individuals who masquerade as children in order to be virtually abused.

And I suppose Counter-Strike players will be arrested for virtual-murder?

CardJoe · 14th May 2007, 13:47

I reckon deathmatching is a lot less creepy than pretending to be a three year old so that people can pretend to sexually abuse you...

djDEATH · 14th May 2007, 14:27

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Originally Posted by CardJoe

I reckon deathmatching is a lot more creepy than pretending to be a three year old so that people can pretend to sexually abuse you...

lol - are you sure you dont want to retract that comment!!!

as above, this was bound to happen, took longer than i thought, but bound to happen. Where theres a will, theres a way!!

Tyinsar · 14th May 2007, 15:38

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Originally Posted by CardJoe

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fixed in edit

I agree: Death-matching clearly a game to most people. The other is just sick from any angle.

airchie · 14th May 2007, 15:40

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Originally Posted by djDEATH

lol - are you sure you dont want to retract that comment!!!

What's that loud bleeping noise??
Oh yeah, its my sarcasm detector...

The 'age play' thing is pretty wierd, but it can have numerous parallels drawn to the likes CSS.
Virtual mass murder and terrorist bombings are acceptable but virtual child abuse isn't?

I personally think its correct the way it is.
ie, child abuse, whether virtual or not is wrong.
CSS, while depicting violence, is much more acceptable IMO.

CardJoe · 14th May 2007, 15:45

Originally Posted by CardJoe
I reckon deathmatching is a lot more creepy than pretending to be a three year old so that people can pretend to sexually abuse you...

Yes, I do want to retract that comment. It wasn't sarcasm, I just got my sentence mixed up. Meant to point out to Capnpedro that deathmatching is much LESS of an issue. I've edited the post to show what I acually meant.

Sorry again, simply used the wrong word (more/less)

yodasarmpit · 14th May 2007, 15:47

If it was purely a virtual pursuit then why the hell not, let the weirdo’s role play in their virtual world so long as that’s where it stays.
However, if as the report suggests real life abuse is being bought and sold in this virtual setting, then those responsible should be perused by the highest authorities and have their balls chopped off.

djDEATH · 14th May 2007, 15:48

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Originally Posted by CardJoe

Originally Posted by CardJoe

Yes, I do want to retract that comment. It wasn't sarcasm, I just got my sentence mixed up. Meant to point out to Capnpedro that deathmatching is much LESS of an issue. I've edited the post to show what I acually meant.

Sorry again, simply used the wrong word (more/less)

lol

Tyinsar · 14th May 2007, 16:55

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Originally Posted by CardJoe

...Sorry again, simply used the wrong word (more/less)

Thanks for the clarification / correction Joe.

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Originally Posted by yodasarmpit

If it was purely a virtual pursuit ...

even as "pretend" it's sick - I agree with the feelings behind the rest of your post though.

HandMadeAndroid · 14th May 2007, 17:49

Interesting news story, relevant to me, as I joined second life around a month ago. The various escorts and strip clubs are quite funny really, I don't see the attraction in a cartoon person. As for the age play, I guess if they are consenting adults who are role playing, then it is their choice. I don't agree with this form of role play as I think it's obviously sick. The distribution of child pornography has far wider implications, as this unfortunately involves children being abused in real life by real adults, and should be dealt with appropriately. There are retailers who will sell adult baby clothes etc in real life for consenting adults to use...should this be stopped? As for second life...after a month I'm pretty bored, the lag sucks, its just the same stuff everywhere

DeX · 14th May 2007, 20:01

People seem to forget that Second Life is just a fancy chat room. And as long as chat rooms have existed, people have used them to share illegal material as well as act out their fantasies with like minded people. This is nothing new. It wasn't 'bound to happen' simply because it already has been happening all around the world ever since the internet began.

The only significance that this story has is that in Germany, depictions of child abuse whether real or not are illegal. It may well mean that someone will try to ban the game in that country. That of course is the important issue we should be discussing.

DXR_13KE · 14th May 2007, 23:00

this was bound to happen...... but anyway this is pure and unadulterated stupidity in a jar with razor blades and TNT.

mikeuk2004 · 15th May 2007, 00:28

no surprise at all.

Burnout21 · 15th May 2007, 00:34

ok, here is one statement we should all agree with,

''Child abusers should be hurt badly, very badly!!''

end of story.

Cthippo · 22nd May 2007, 05:58

Meh, file it away with the "war on drugs" and the "War on poverty" and (my favorite) the "Global war on terror". Where there is a demand, and I think it's pretty clear there is a huge demand for child porn, there will be a supply.

Hivemind187 · 12th Jul 2007, 09:46

Just to clarify a point for some of you here (whose prejudicial comments bely nothing more than closed minded knee jerking).

Age PLay is a form of roleplaying that may or may not have a sexual component to it. It is, for many, a paraphillia much like shoes, baloons, clowns or (for a large group of you here) the latest offering from the Nvidia Graphics Labs.

Age play, between consenting adults, has catagorically nothing to do with "real children" or "real child abuse" and to group them together is not only an irrational and illogical statement, it is also extremely offensive. It is the same mentality that claims "all homo-sexuals are child abusers".

Child abuse is an extention of a need to control or exert power over a vulnerable individual (hence the moniker of abuse). Age-play is simply that, PLAY between consenting adults.

So if you are going to react to something of whichyou have no understanding then the argument to arrest CSS players for virtual murder, WOW players for Virtual Warcrimes or RTS players for virtual membership of the Nazi party.

Peace out.

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CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,970	I reckon deathmatching is a lot less creepy than pretending to be a three year old so that people can pretend to sexually abuse you... __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog Last edited by CardJoe; 14th May 2007 at 15:42.

14th May 2007, 15:45	#10
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,970	Originally Posted by CardJoe I reckon deathmatching is a lot more creepy than pretending to be a three year old so that people can pretend to sexually abuse you... Yes, I do want to retract that comment. It wasn't sarcasm, I just got my sentence mixed up. Meant to point out to Capnpedro that deathmatching is much LESS of an issue. I've edited the post to show what I acually meant. Sorry again, simply used the wrong word (more/less) __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

14th May 2007, 15:47	#11
yodasarmpit The other Brett. Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: West Lothian , Scotland Posts: 9,664	If it was purely a virtual pursuit then why the hell not, let the weirdo’s role play in their virtual world so long as that’s where it stays. However, if as the report suggests real life abuse is being bought and sold in this virtual setting, then those responsible should be perused by the highest authorities and have their balls chopped off. __________________ The Rt. Hon. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - "Ping Pong is coming home" www.yodasarmpit.com clickr my flickr Last edited by yodasarmpit; 14th May 2007 at 16:15.

14th May 2007, 17:49	#14
HandMadeAndroid Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newcastle Posts: 125	Interesting news story, relevant to me, as I joined second life around a month ago. The various escorts and strip clubs are quite funny really, I don't see the attraction in a cartoon person. As for the age play, I guess if they are consenting adults who are role playing, then it is their choice. I don't agree with this form of role play as I think it's obviously sick. The distribution of child pornography has far wider implications, as this unfortunately involves children being abused in real life by real adults, and should be dealt with appropriately. There are retailers who will sell adult baby clothes etc in real life for consenting adults to use...should this be stopped? As for second life...after a month I'm pretty bored, the lag sucks, its just the same stuff everywhere __________________ Give them cake

14th May 2007, 20:01	#15
DeX Mube Codder Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,103	People seem to forget that Second Life is just a fancy chat room. And as long as chat rooms have existed, people have used them to share illegal material as well as act out their fantasies with like minded people. This is nothing new. It wasn't 'bound to happen' simply because it already has been happening all around the world ever since the internet began. The only significance that this story has is that in Germany, depictions of child abuse whether real or not are illegal. It may well mean that someone will try to ban the game in that country. That of course is the important issue we should be discussing. __________________ Play my game: Shyguy's Cave of Death! If you dont have the time to check your spelling and grammar, you dont have the time to post! -Liquid K9

14th May 2007, 23:00	#16
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,469	this was bound to happen...... but anyway this is pure and unadulterated stupidity in a jar with razor blades and TNT. __________________ *Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK! Last edited by DXR_13KE; 14th May 2007 at 23:32.

15th May 2007, 00:28	#17
mikeuk2004 What you Looking at Fool! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 3,049	no surprise at all. __________________ -\|- Xfire - Mikeuk2005 -\|- Xbox Live - Mike UK 2006 -\|- Playstation Network - Mikeuk2004 -\|-

15th May 2007, 00:34	#18
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22nd May 2007, 05:58	#19
Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 4,466	Meh, file it away with the "war on drugs" and the "War on poverty" and (my favorite) the "Global war on terror". Where there is a demand, and I think it's pretty clear there is a huge demand for child porn, there will be a supply. __________________ Notice: If we see you flaming we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate measures - The Bit-Tech Fire Brigade.

12th Jul 2007, 09:46	#20
Hivemind187 What's a Dremel? Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17	Just to clarify a point for some of you here (whose prejudicial comments bely nothing more than closed minded knee jerking). Age PLay is a form of roleplaying that may or may not have a sexual component to it. It is, for many, a paraphillia much like shoes, baloons, clowns or (for a large group of you here) the latest offering from the Nvidia Graphics Labs. Age play, between consenting adults, has catagorically nothing to do with "real children" or "real child abuse" and to group them together is not only an irrational and illogical statement, it is also extremely offensive. It is the same mentality that claims "all homo-sexuals are child abusers". Child abuse is an extention of a need to control or exert power over a vulnerable individual (hence the moniker of abuse). Age-play is simply that, PLAY between consenting adults. So if you are going to react to something of whichyou have no understanding then the argument to arrest CSS players for virtual murder, WOW players for Virtual Warcrimes or RTS players for virtual membership of the Nazi party. Peace out.