First Look: Intel P35 chipset - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 21st May 2007, 16:50

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200..._p35_chipset/1

Intel continues its yearly launch of new chipsets with the P35, formerly named Bearlake. We take a first look at the Asus P5K Deluxe WiFi AP, and see if this chipset is a worthy evolution from the fantastic P965.

Spaceraver · 21st May 2007, 17:36

why didn't they include a daughterboard for the sound this time?? from what i've concluded audio will get better with it. beware of spelling nazi's btw.

Ramble · 21st May 2007, 18:07

Am I the only who who looked at bandwidth between the NB and CPU and thought "Holy ****, is that it?".

Pie_uk · 21st May 2007, 20:01

will be waiting untill september

That's more Asus than you can shack a stick at. The features do overlap in places and the sheer vastness of the list can be confusing and even daunting to some, but you can use as many or as few as you like

shack a stick at. spelling correction in order.

very nice review ! thank you Bit

LAGMonkey · 21st May 2007, 23:19

i must say, well done on the inclusion of the power requirements for the board.

fantastic review and lovely to see the power consumption being added.

Renoir · 23rd May 2007, 01:15

Seems from the reviews I've read that there's a lot of different opinions on this chipset. Some have found improved memory performance while this one didn't. Some have found it to be quite power hungry others haven't. I think a lot of these discrepancies can be explained by having different mobos and bios' as well as the use of either DDR2/3 RAM.

It doesn't seem like any of the initial P35 boards actually use the ICH9R's integrated gigabit ethernet MAC. I wonder why?

Bindibadgi · 23rd May 2007, 09:16

Too expensive. Intel charge a premium for their silicon, or simply people like Marvell or Realtek undercut it.

It's also partly why Centrino notebooks cost so much: Exclusively Intel parts.

Power hungry: depends on the PSU, depends on the ram used, graphics, fans and peripherals attached.

To be perfectly honest I was expecting better memory performance as well, but I'm attributing it to early BIOS' atm. It SHOULD be better, but we've not found it is.

Renoir · 23rd May 2007, 14:08

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Too expensive. Intel charge a premium for their silicon, or simply people like Marvell or Realtek undercut it.

But isn't the ethernet MAC already in the ICH9R and so all they have to add is a PHY chip. Is even that more expensive than a full controller from the other vendors?

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Power hungry: depends on the PSU, depends on the ram used, graphics, fans and peripherals attached.

I think there's often very little point in comparing Power usage results across sites for precisely that reason you never know the exact setup. That's one reason why I like Xbit Labs as at least for CPUs and GPUs they tend to isolate the power usage (well including their respective VRMs) from the rest of the system.

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To be perfectly honest I was expecting better memory performance as well, but I'm attributing it to early BIOS' atm. It SHOULD be better, but we've not found it is.

Not every site has been using the same mobos or indeed using the same RAM/FSB speeds so at this early stage I guess we can't make any solid conclusions. Besides I don't think the difference would be more than 5% anyway which may matter to some but isn't a big deal to me.

Saivert · 25th May 2007, 10:47

It doesn't matter if Intel has the MAC inside it's chipset anyway, then can still charge extra for the use of it. It's not like the motherboard manufacturers just purchase their chip and can then do whatever they want with it. They are basically licensing it, and Intel can thus charge extra license for the use of the MAC. At least that's what I think is going on.

I would like to see more Intel and Broadcom MAC and PHYs on motherboards though.

Bindibadgi · 25th May 2007, 11:37

Well using a PHY chip lets people negate the use of an extra PCI-Express slot, but at the same time the extra wiring costs time to engineer. Like you said, it's the licence cost and who people have contracts with.

Power usage: take a look across as many sites as possible and gauge the difference between setups. Same as reviews in general tbh

Renoir · 25th May 2007, 13:14

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Well using a PHY chip lets people negate the use of an extra PCI-Express slot, but at the same time the extra wiring costs time to engineer. Like you said, it's the licence cost and who people have contracts with.

Fair enough makes sense

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Power usage: take a look across as many sites as possible and gauge the difference between setups. Same as reviews in general tbh

A bit tedious but obviously the best approach.

Bindibadgi · 25th May 2007, 13:33

Obviously we should be your definitive choice and first port of call...

Renoir · 25th May 2007, 14:08

Naturally. We gotta support our own

Dreaming · 25th May 2007, 17:36

Looking forward to a review on the Abit IP35-Pro

<£100 with all the extra nice stuff.

Jipa · 25th May 2007, 18:10

Aww come on, how hard can it be to make decent sound cards to highendish motherboards? F the ADI... I just don't get it.

Nice review again!

Bindibadgi · 26th May 2007, 12:15

Decent sound cards cost money

21st May 2007, 16:50	#1
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23rd May 2007, 01:15	#6
Renoir Multimodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 190	Seems from the reviews I've read that there's a lot of different opinions on this chipset. Some have found improved memory performance while this one didn't. Some have found it to be quite power hungry others haven't. I think a lot of these discrepancies can be explained by having different mobos and bios' as well as the use of either DDR2/3 RAM. It doesn't seem like any of the initial P35 boards actually use the ICH9R's integrated gigabit ethernet MAC. I wonder why?

23rd May 2007, 09:16	#7
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,294	Too expensive. Intel charge a premium for their silicon, or simply people like Marvell or Realtek undercut it. It's also partly why Centrino notebooks cost so much: Exclusively Intel parts. Power hungry: depends on the PSU, depends on the ram used, graphics, fans and peripherals attached. To be perfectly honest I was expecting better memory performance as well, but I'm attributing it to early BIOS' atm. It SHOULD be better, but we've not found it is. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

25th May 2007, 10:47	#9
Saivert Multimodder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 204	It doesn't matter if Intel has the MAC inside it's chipset anyway, then can still charge extra for the use of it. It's not like the motherboard manufacturers just purchase their chip and can then do whatever they want with it. They are basically licensing it, and Intel can thus charge extra license for the use of the MAC. At least that's what I think is going on. I would like to see more Intel and Broadcom MAC and PHYs on motherboards though. __________________ - I'm the troll who bumps page 2 topics -

25th May 2007, 11:37	#10
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,294	Well using a PHY chip lets people negate the use of an extra PCI-Express slot, but at the same time the extra wiring costs time to engineer. Like you said, it's the licence cost and who people have contracts with. Power usage: take a look across as many sites as possible and gauge the difference between setups. Same as reviews in general tbh __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

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25th May 2007, 14:08	#13
Renoir Multimodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 190	Naturally. We gotta support our own

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25th May 2007, 18:10	#15
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26th May 2007, 12:15	#16
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,294	Decent sound cards cost money __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!