Blu-ray adds more content protection - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 22nd Jun 2007, 13:52

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/06...t_protection/1

The Blu-ray format is about to receive another layer of content protection, called BD Plus, which is designed to work alongside current content protection methods, but it could mean firmware updates on older players.

DougEdey · 22nd Jun 2007, 13:59

But the DRM is already in affect! BluSpot as it is now known

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/16/b...arting-to-rot/

Tim S · 22nd Jun 2007, 13:59

Btw, I forgot to mention the BD+ site... it's a work of art.

DougEdey · 22nd Jun 2007, 14:00

Very minimalist. Maybe it's going for the Tate Modern?

iwog · 22nd Jun 2007, 14:05

An random commenter on the DailyTech website said:

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Make it as difficult as they wish, but I really think hackers get off on that. The harder it is, the more gratification they get from overcoming the protection.

This is so true, the more a company or product touts that its safe and "hacker proof" the more effort hackers will put into breaking it. My money is on a hack of BD+ within a year of its release. That is a hack that will work with any disc of that generation before they film companies get annoyed and release a new "hacker proof" protection.

./^\.Ace./^\. · 22nd Jun 2007, 14:30

I really dislike copy protection

I say if some takes the efford to get past it then they should be left alone

For the amount of space on a blue ray DVD you could put a 1,000,000,000,000 segment code on it, then no one would try and crack it

but the big question is, is it worth the money to create better copy protection for some products

mmorgue · 22nd Jun 2007, 14:35

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Originally Posted by iwog

This is so true, the more a company or product touts that its safe and "hacker proof" the more effort hackers will put into breaking it. My money is on a hack of BD+ within a year of its release. That is a hack that will work with any disc of that generation before they film companies get annoyed and release a new "hacker proof" protection.

Heheh -- supose it could be argued that the DRM companies themselves are training the hackers!

In instances like this, my ££ would always be on the hackers

Tim S · 22nd Jun 2007, 15:01

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Originally Posted by iwog

An random commenter on the DailyTech website said:

This is so true, the more a company or product touts that its safe and "hacker proof" the more effort hackers will put into breaking it. My money is on a hack of BD+ within a year of its release. That is a hack that will work with any disc of that generation before they film companies get annoyed and release a new "hacker proof" protection.

Yep, it's the same with any "industry" - people love the challenge and the tougher the better.

pendragon · 22nd Jun 2007, 15:05

I have little faith that this new DRM won't just be a pain in the but to legal owners of said discs.

Firehed · 22nd Jun 2007, 15:20

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Originally Posted by news snippet

Based on the fact that every movie protection standard that has ever been implemented, we wouldn't be surprised if this one eventually falls by the wayside too.

Somebody needs a verb

Anyways, I'm waiting indefinitely for legal DRM-free content. Until it happens, I'll be sticking either with theatres (rare), bit-torrent (rarer - too little worth watching a second time) or just stick with podcasts and such, which are free, devoid of DRM, and actually worth my time.

DXR_13KE · 22nd Jun 2007, 16:00

i give it one month and it is cracked.

ElZog · 22nd Jun 2007, 16:07

If it is looking for hacked players, surely it'll be just a case of finding ways to disguise the hacks from the disc's method, rather than needing to crack each disc's individual code.

I say 'just', it will still probably take a lot of effort.

Smilodon · 22nd Jun 2007, 16:47

I was hoping that blu-ray would win this "format war". But they just keep screwing it up.

HD DVD players can be had for 1/3 of the price for a blu-ray player aswell, so blue-ray's chance of survival seems to shrink every day.

SNIPERMikeUK · 22nd Jun 2007, 16:48

U will only be dissapointed if u buy either of these formats now, they are in their infacy take the recent change over to java on the format and all this cracked copy control cannot be good so soon into a formats life either, spoke to a rep the other day in my local audio visual dealership and he told me people are still paying upto and over 1,000 for DVD players and not choosing the £300-1,500 odd pound BD+HD, this to me speaks volumes.

If anything u should buy a upscale player for your old DVD format. It's just like the beta max Vs. vhs wars all over again. And lets be honest the price of Blue Ray is mad for a film.

Even the idea of using the format for data consumption is stupid. Hard disks are dirty cheap now.

quack · 22nd Jun 2007, 17:37

Hooray for more pointless DRM that does nothing but affect and place a burden on the consumer who legitimately purchases the discs and does absolutely nothing to prevent piracy or copyright infringement.

Flibblebot · 22nd Jun 2007, 18:40

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Originally Posted by SNIPERMikeUK

...people are still paying upto and over 1,000 for DVD players and not choosing the £300-1,500 odd pound BD+HD, this to me speaks volumes...

I said this in another thread recently - none (AFAIK) of the high-end AV manufacturers have a player for either HD DVD or BluRay. Now, I don't know whether this is because they're waiting for high end decoders from Faroudja and the like, or whether it's because they're waiting for the dust to settle, but it's telling, nevertheless.

As for releasing a new form of protection that may require firmware updates - ARE THEY MAD? Bearing in mind that most of the players on sale are currently consumer level, I'd be surprised if even half of current owners even knew what a firmware update was or, more importantly, how to go about getting one and applying it.

Those that want to pirate the disc will find a way around the protection, sooner or later. The rest of the people, i.e. the vast majority, will be inconvenienced, and some of those people might even resort to hacking the protection to watch the movie that they paid money for.

Penalising the wrong people.

Neat69 · 22nd Jun 2007, 19:37

Most importantly.. is it compatible with the PS3?

If its not then Sony might as well pack up

iwog · 23rd Jun 2007, 00:48

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Originally Posted by Neat69

Most importantly.. is it compatible with the PS3?

If its not then Sony might as well pack up

LMAO, could just see the head lines "Sony's flagship console unable to play their own media" But honestly i doubt its really an issue do to the PS3's PC likeness. Firmware updates to the drive and codecs etc are all that would be needed and his could be rolled out in one of Sony's many firmware updates.

completemadness · 23rd Jun 2007, 00:51

i give it 2 months, at the most

knyghtryda · 23rd Jun 2007, 05:20

hmm... hardware players are not gonna get hacked very soon (or at all), but I give a "patched" software player maybe a month before a bypass is found. Its back to the memory scanning...

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SNIPERMikeUK Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 137	Forget Blue Ray + HD DVD!!! U will only be dissapointed if u buy either of these formats now, they are in their infacy take the recent change over to java on the format and all this cracked copy control cannot be good so soon into a formats life either, spoke to a rep the other day in my local audio visual dealership and he told me people are still paying upto and over 1,000 for DVD players and not choosing the £300-1,500 odd pound BD+HD, this to me speaks volumes. If anything u should buy a upscale player for your old DVD format. It's just like the beta max Vs. vhs wars all over again. And lets be honest the price of Blue Ray is mad for a film. Even the idea of using the format for data consumption is stupid. Hard disks are dirty cheap now. __________________ SNIPERMikeUK

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quack \o/ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,222	Hooray for more pointless DRM that does nothing but affect and place a burden on the consumer who legitimately purchases the discs and does absolutely nothing to prevent piracy or copyright infringement. __________________ Denying Rights to Music lovers. Denying Rights to Movie lovers.

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Neat69 Modder Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Berkshire, UK Posts: 68	Most importantly.. is it compatible with the PS3? If its not then Sony might as well pack up

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completemadness Hypermodder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 887	i give it 2 months, at the most

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knyghtryda Multimodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 78	hmm... hardware players are not gonna get hacked very soon (or at all), but I give a "patched" software player maybe a month before a bypass is found. Its back to the memory scanning...