News Racist car in Forza 2 causes controversy

[Tim S]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/07..._controversy/1

User generated content exposes morons in Forza 2's fanbase as racist car designs continue to be auctioned off via Xbox Live.

[DougEdey]

To be expected, it is a community. And the T&C state that he will be kicked when someone tells Microsoft instead of telling everyone else and then microsoft.

[Jamie]

I'm doing this to my Exige tonight.

[mikeuk2004]

Nazi stickers are too far but "White Power"?? I bet it be fine and not racist if it said "Black Power".

[DougEdey]

"White Power" could refer to sugar based fuels

[DXR_13KE]

Originally Posted by DougEdey

"White Power" could refer to sugar based fuels

or white people as fuel......

edit: i think this racist thing is a little to much, the car it self can be the nazi racer..... it has all the attributes....

[Almightyrastus]

White power in itself might raise a few eyebrows but in the context that it is in on this car alongside the rest of the design then there can't really be any other meaning read into it. At least there wasn't a Valknut on it this time, that is the symbol that annoys me in this sort of thing as it gives other, innocent people, a very bad name.

[mikeuk2004]

Id doubt it but, what if the creator of the car was a Nazi. Is it no different to other believers puting their symbols on their car designs.

I personally dont like Nazi's for all the same reasons but if it truly is offensive to you, you could buy it on the auction and paint other it. That would get it out of circulation until the next comes along.

Trading of real Nazi stuff is ilegal so I guess they should make virtual trading of Nazi stuff ilegal too and designs of this nature should only be used by its designer. And you can choose not to race with such people if it bothers you, or ram them off the raod

[topher]

Running out to get Forza 2 so i ca buy it . Im with mike2004 if it said Black Power no one would bat an eyelid. Its about time this pc crap was stopped and we started telling it like it is.

[Fusen]

Originally Posted by topher

Running out to get Forza 2 so i ca buy it . Im with mike2004 if it said Black Power no one would bat an eyelid. Its about time this pc crap was stopped and we started telling it like it is.

are you some how insinuating that the idea behind "white power" is correct? o.0

[topher]

Originally Posted by Fusen

are you some how insinuating that the idea behind "white power" is correct? o.0

are you some how insinuating that the idea behind "Black Power groups" is correct? Two sides to every coin

[Flibblebot]

There are, apparently, such things as positive racism and negative racism. This make it possible, in the US, to have all-black colleges (+ve racism) but not all-white colleges (-ve racism). Strange, but true.

In my book, both are just kinds of racism, and both are equally wrong.

[Dr. Strangelove]

First off, I do NOT think that the car in the picture is cool or in anyway fun.
However I think many of you are right that the whole racism thing is very imbalanced, i think one of my friends called it "White Guilt".
An even more (to me at least) silly thing is that many Germans still feel the need to apologize for WWII, I mean we are talking about people apologizing for something their grandparents did. I think we call all agree that WWII was a bad time in world history and that nasty things happend than no-one would be proud of, but this is hardly the fault of someone who was born several decades after it all happened.
I think it's time the whole world took one (or two) step(s) back and tried to look at this whole racism thing objectively. I'm not saying that there isn't racism (cause there is), and I'm not saying that we should not try to stop it where and when ever it happens. But people seem to have gotten used to being extremely sensitive on certain subjects without even actually stopping to think for them selfs.

[dognosh]

I got excited for a moment as I thought it said "White Powder" , sign me up

[Nexxo]

Originally Posted by Flibblebot

There are, apparently, such things as positive racism and negative racism. This make it possible, in the US, to have all-black colleges (+ve racism) but not all-white colleges (-ve racism). Strange, but true.

In my book, both are just kinds of racism, and both are equally wrong.

Positive discrimination vs. negative discrimination, basically. Which is which depends on the status of the group being discriminated.

If a disadvantaged status group is given negative treatment, it is considered negative discrimination. If it is given preferential treatment, it is considered positive discrimination. This is viewed as OK since it is meant to cancel out their disadvantages.

An advantaged status group is considered to enjoy their advantages because of positive discrimination (which may not even be spotted, because it is what people are used to; it is the social norm), so positive discrimination of the disadvantaged group is not really seen as disadvantaging the advantaged group, merely as levelling the playing field.

Where the whole idea falls down is with its sweeping generalisations about which is the advantaged group, and which the disadvantaged group. In terms of race for instance, not all white people are advantaged (some are really poor) or all black people disadvantaged (some are really just dumb)... Moreover, positive discrimination may create the mistaken impression that the disadvantaged group would be unable to perform at an equal level if they did not get this artificial boost. In the 70's some misguided proposals were made to statistically control for socio-economic disadvantages by adjusting the IQ scores of poorly performing black kids. Although statistically, this is a valid way of reducing measurement error and arriving at a hypothetical "true" score, in real life it cast suspicion on the validity of any black kid's high IQ score (is it "boosted", or is it "true"?).

It makes much more sense to level out the socio-economic inequalities between poor and wealthier people of course, but that is a lot harder to do than just making some token affirmative action gestures. People do not need positive discrimination any more than they need negative discrimination; they need equality.

[specofdust]

Originally Posted by topher

are you some how insinuating that the idea behind "Black Power groups" is correct? Two sides to every coin

No, he's saying that any ideas that one race should form a power base or group based simply upon race is stupid. Which it is. Racism = the laziest kind of discrimination.

I fully support all and every ban against creators of racist material in this game, and in life in general.

[olly_lewis]

We that's my "Everyone has AIDS" care idea out the window... the Xbox Live TOS states you can't create content that is offensive to peoples, groups of people concerning their race, creed, culture, religion their gender or sexuality, as well as AIDs related content...

ah well the fun had to end sometime...

[otispunkmeyer]

i for one found this funny. im not racist but i still find it amusing. i find all the porno, anime and smut cars hilarious too.

i am of the band of thinking that everyone really spends too much time getting offended than they do actually doing anything useful or just having a good time. political correctness always has to shove its ugly mug into absolutely everything. so to does health and safety but thats not the issue here.

you can insult me an my beliefs all you want, but honestly i have better things....more important things in my life to be getting on with rather than wasting time screaming about how i have been offended and my feelings hurt.

suck it up.

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

First off, I do NOT think that the car in the picture is cool or in anyway fun.
However I think many of you are right that the whole racism thing is very imbalanced, i think one of my friends called it "White Guilt".
An even more (to me at least) silly thing is that many Germans still feel the need to apologize for WWII, I mean we are talking about people apologizing for something their grandparents did. I think we call all agree that WWII was a bad time in world history and that nasty things happend than no-one would be proud of, but this is hardly the fault of someone who was born several decades after it all happened.
I think it's time the whole world took one (or two) step(s) back and tried to look at this whole racism thing objectively. I'm not saying that there isn't racism (cause there is), and I'm not saying that we should not try to stop it where and when ever it happens. But people seem to have gotten used to being extremely sensitive on certain subjects without even actually stopping to think for them selfs.

yeah people are way too quick to scream offense when presented with something like this just because its a known taboo subject and thats like the generic response. they dont stop to think "hang on a sec.... does that actually offend me? do i care? does it mean anything at all? or should i just get on with this transaction and possibly reap in some mega bucks for my company and then enjoy a huge christmas bonus for it?"

[Amon]

I had a bit of a detached chuckle when I saw the image. This is because my brother is, unfortunately, pro-Nazi.