80GB PS3 has 'limited backwards compatibility' - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 10th Jul 2007, 11:16

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/07...rds_compatib/1

The new 80GB flavour of the PlayStation 3 is confirmed to have 'limited backwards compatibility' thanks to a switch to the European software BC mode.

mikeuk2004 · 10th Jul 2007, 12:22

link to forum does not work.

Anyway, this has basicly already been covered. The european ps3's had the chip removed to go with the software they originally were going to use what wasnt ready for USA launch. So it was ready and we get the PS3 with software only and not the chip. It would then be asumed that the chip would be fazed out of the USA PS3's which looks like they are with the 80Gb models.

To me this is not news and is just part of what they have already been doing.

Quote:

What it hasn't been so quick to announce to PlayStation fanboys

Dont you mean "what it hasnt been quick to announce to Playstation haters that want to slate Sony is...."

Why is everyone that wants a Playstation called a Fanboy, Stop using the word fanboy and use the word consumer.

DXR_13KE · 10th Jul 2007, 12:44

the problem is that one of the things that Sony feeds the customer is that all of its consoles are always backwards compatible, most of my friends think that the ps3 will play every PS and PS2 game and call me a fool when i try to explain them the truth.
and i loled at the scooter racing picture.

edit: link in the article not working!
edit: werking now

EQC · 10th Jul 2007, 18:09

Anybody want to find the actual facts on this? Before overblowing the term "limited backwards compatibility," shouldn't we look up what percentage of older games that are backwards compatible in the current European version? According to a quick internet search, even the hardware emulation was "only" advertised as 98% backwards compatibility...so you could never expect *every* old game to work.

IIRC, the EU PS3 is MUCH more backwards compatible than the 360 is, and both are using software to do it. And, with firmware updates, the software emulation has the potential to get better.

A quick look at this website may be of interest: http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/

-- all the titles they list there are PS1 and PS2 games that should play on the PS3 -- most with "no issues," some with "minor issues," and some are "playable, but with noticeable issues"

can anybody tell if that site lists EVERY old game...or if they're just listing the ones that work? If they are listing every game, it looks pretty decent to me.

DougEdey · 10th Jul 2007, 18:12

It lists almost all, but surprisingly (for me) FF7 doesn't work 100%

Veles · 10th Jul 2007, 20:02

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Originally Posted by EQC

IIRC, the EU PS3 is MUCH more backwards compatible than the 360 is, and both are using software to do it. And, with firmware updates, the software emulation has the potential to get better.

Sortware emulation backwards compatibility is absolute crap, as both consoles have shown. Yes, you can update it, but my experience of the 360's emulation is just to not bother, if you have an Xbox, play it on that, and MS have had a dedicated team working on it for a very long time, so I'd hate to think what the PS3's is like.

IMO, if you're not gonna bother with hardware backwards compatibility, just don't bother at all.

DXR_13KE · 10th Jul 2007, 20:14

if you are gonna bother with backwards compatibility then buy the old console on ebay or somewhere else..... and most of the time it works better.

and don't say like "why 10 devices under your TV if you can have 1" because i will say to you "if you have only 1 device that does all of the work, what will happen when that device stops working?".

EQC · 10th Jul 2007, 21:03

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Originally Posted by Veles

Sortware emulation backwards compatibility is absolute crap, as both consoles have shown...my experience of the 360's emulation is just to not bother, if you have an Xbox, play it on that, and MS have had a dedicated team working on it for a very long time, so I'd hate to think what the PS3's is like.

IMO, if you're not gonna bother with hardware backwards compatibility, just don't bother at all.

You said "both consoles" there, but only have evidence from the 360. Who's to say Sony doesn't have a dedicated team working on software backwards compatibility? And who's to say that Microsoft's team is doing much of anything? There are still new PS2 games coming out...when was the last time a regular XBox game came out? I think Sony has a bigger motivation to support backwards compatibility than does Microsoft -- and I think this is evidenced by the fact that Sony initially put the hardware for BC in there in the first place...and they're phasing out the hardware now, perhaps indicating they've got a good handle on Software BC.

I don't know either way...but it seems like all the bashing about this around the web is mainly based on the 360's poor performance at Software BC. But the companies and the consoles involved are completely different animals... Anybody here have experience with the Software BC of the PS3? Anybody find a site that lists the percentage of PS1/2 titles that work on the PS3 with Software BC? Anybody have a *real* good comparison of BC between the 360 and PS3?

That site I listed earlier seems to indicate many many games work just fine under Software BC on the PS3, and more work but with a few issues.

DXR_13KE · 10th Jul 2007, 22:22

i think it is stupid to buy a current gen console to play last gen games....... but thats me.

KMS-oul · 10th Jul 2007, 22:41

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE

i think it is stupid to buy a current gen console to play last gen games....... but thats me.

I don't agree.

With the relability of some consoles like the 360 people are going to be left with a pile of games with nothing to play them on in the future. I still play my snes from time to time. If the snes was as reliable as the 360 and the PS2 then mine would have been dead long ago. Thats why I think BC is important.

Spaceraver · 10th Jul 2007, 23:53

NES anyone?? Or even the good old non colour GB is more sturdy than any console on the market.. That said, ill never buy another console unless i really have to.

CardJoe · 11th Jul 2007, 09:27

I love BC if its possible, I can live without it if it isn't. Being able to play original burnout on a 360 is just a great reason to sell the original xbox and get some games cash.

devdevil85 · 11th Jul 2007, 16:16

Joe, you hit it on the head, with me atleast. BC is something I love, but I can live without it if it's really THAT big of a deal. Of course with the PS3 BC isn't really that big of an issue with atleast 80% of all PS1/PS2 games working in software emulation, so honestly I would almost come to expect it, but again it's not THAT big of a deal. I do like the idea of being able to sell my old consoles for some cash to help ease the financial hit of buying a new expensive console.

CardJoe · 11th Jul 2007, 16:20

For once, we agree DevDevil.

devdevil85 · 11th Jul 2007, 19:46

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Originally Posted by CardJoe

For once, we agree DevDevil.

Don't expect too many of these though! hehe jk I liked your statement about how PC's are better than consoles. Another thing we both agree on.

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10th Jul 2007, 12:44	#3
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,466	the problem is that one of the things that Sony feeds the customer is that all of its consoles are always backwards compatible, most of my friends think that the ps3 will play every PS and PS2 game and call me a fool when i try to explain them the truth. and i loled at the scooter racing picture. edit: link in the article not working! edit: werking now __________________ *Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK! Last edited by DXR_13KE; 10th Jul 2007 at 18:08.

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10th Jul 2007, 20:14	#7
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,466	if you are gonna bother with backwards compatibility then buy the old console on ebay or somewhere else..... and most of the time it works better. and don't say like "why 10 devices under your TV if you can have 1" because i will say to you "if you have only 1 device that does all of the work, what will happen when that device stops working?". __________________ *Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK!

10th Jul 2007, 22:22	#9
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,466	i think it is stupid to buy a current gen console to play last gen games....... but thats me. __________________ *Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK!

10th Jul 2007, 18:09	#4
EQC Multimodder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CA Posts: 220	Anybody want to find the actual facts on this? Before overblowing the term "limited backwards compatibility," shouldn't we look up what percentage of older games that are backwards compatible in the current European version? According to a quick internet search, even the hardware emulation was "only" advertised as 98% backwards compatibility...so you could never expect every old game to work. IIRC, the EU PS3 is MUCH more backwards compatible than the 360 is, and both are using software to do it. And, with firmware updates, the software emulation has the potential to get better. A quick look at this website may be of interest: http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/ -- all the titles they list there are PS1 and PS2 games that should play on the PS3 -- most with "no issues," some with "minor issues," and some are "playable, but with noticeable issues" can anybody tell if that site lists EVERY old game...or if they're just listing the ones that work? If they are listing every game, it looks pretty decent to me.

10th Jul 2007, 23:53	#11
Spaceraver Weekend Junkie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kolding, Denmark Posts: 1,305	NES anyone?? Or even the good old non colour GB is more sturdy than any console on the market.. That said, ill never buy another console unless i really have to. __________________ "Faith: not wanting to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche. "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca Last thing I remember, I was drinking this glowing green sht out of a test tube and dancing like a bstard.

11th Jul 2007, 09:27	#12
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	I love BC if its possible, I can live without it if it isn't. Being able to play original burnout on a 360 is just a great reason to sell the original xbox and get some games cash. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

11th Jul 2007, 16:16	#13
devdevil85 Hypermodder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 884	Joe, you hit it on the head, with me atleast. BC is something I love, but I can live without it if it's really THAT big of a deal. Of course with the PS3 BC isn't really that big of an issue with atleast 80% of all PS1/PS2 games working in software emulation, so honestly I would almost come to expect it, but again it's not THAT big of a deal. I do like the idea of being able to sell my old consoles for some cash to help ease the financial hit of buying a new expensive console.

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CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	For once, we agree DevDevil. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog