Warren Spector not bothered about Deus Ex 3 - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 24th Jul 2007, 15:59

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/07...ut_deus_ex_3/1

Warren Spector says he just isn't that bothered about Deus Ex 3, but he's confident of Eidos' ability to make a decent sequel. At least somebody is.

Bungle · 24th Jul 2007, 17:20

we're boned.

Veles · 24th Jul 2007, 17:26

I hope this game turns out good, but I think it may be no-where near as good as the original, just like my fears for Fallout 3.

Paradigm Shifter · 24th Jul 2007, 17:27

It cannot possibly be worse than DX:IW.

I take comfort in that.

DXR_13KE · 24th Jul 2007, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Paradigm Shifter

It cannot possibly be worse than DX:IW.

are you sure?

Paradigm Shifter · 24th Jul 2007, 17:37

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE

are you sure?

Pretty sure.

I loathed DX:IW with a passion so deep that new words need to be invented to describe it.

MiNiMaL_FuSS · 24th Jul 2007, 17:43

DX2 was bloody awful, right down to the interface and the graphics, just plain bad.

DX on the other hand was possibly the greatest game of all time, rivaling the original Half-Life in my humble opinion. We can only hope that the makers of 3 can steer away from what was a flop and a crap game now that they know what to avoid as it were; but i doubt it'll be as good as Deus Ex was.....time to go play it again i think...

Veles · 24th Jul 2007, 17:50

I think the news image should be changed to this

The greatest tragedy of our time

Woops that image is massiver than I thought it was

DXR_13KE · 24th Jul 2007, 20:56

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Originally Posted by Paradigm Shifter

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE

are you sure?

Pretty sure.

I loathed DX:IW with a passion so deep that new words need to be invented to describe it.

how about a exact clone of DX 2 but this time with longer loading screens and less story?

BoomAM · 25th Jul 2007, 00:29

I read a rumor the other week that DX 3 could be a remake of DX1, just with updated graphics and whatnot. Which i'd be pleased about.

DX2 isnt an amazing game, but its not as bad as people make out either. Sure, compared to DX1 it looks awful, but theres probably only about 5 games that have ever been able to compare to DX1. So it was allways gonna be hard to live up to DX1.
If you take DX2 for what it is, and stop thinking every few mins, 'in DX1...' then you'll probably appriciate the game more.

Veles · 25th Jul 2007, 02:01

Yeah I didn't mind DX2 myself, didn't hold a candle to DX, but it was still quite a good game.

tzang · 25th Jul 2007, 05:26

As long as they used the approach to make DX for DX3, it should be fine.

Letting Harvey Smith (Witchboy) take over the DX project to make DX:IW seemed to be the cause of the problem although I recall Warren looking after Harvey back then. Couple that with the game being developed for the console in mind, that took away a lot of potential ideas for the game (interface for console, simplicity for console, etc...). You also had the issue of how the ending of DX could transition to the start of DX:IW due to the multiple endings.

But as BoomAm mentioned, if you ignore DX and played DX:IW, the game isn't bad at all (along with the good graphics and physics... although the music was a bit disappointing, apart from the title music). The problem was, DX was a fantastic game and people had high hopes for DX2. They were let down when their expectations weren't met.

With the DX hype completely gone, DX3 should settle in more comfortably... unless the devs completely screw it up. There are no indications that any of the original team members will help to develop DX3 so things could turn out rather interesting.

CardJoe · 25th Jul 2007, 08:54

IIRC, Harvey was given free rein on DX2, but monitored on Thief 3, which uses the same engine. Thief 3 was awesome, but DX2 was...disappointing. It wasn't THAT bad, and I quite liked the circle of mods around the screen personally, but they threw away all the RPG elements and the whole game felt too claustrophobic because of the tiny levels. Keeping the RPG elements and making the levels bigger (may have needed an engine change) would have made it much more fun.

One thing I loved about DX2 were the 'unique weapons', hidden guns that had special names and attributes. There was one unique gun of every type somewhere in the game that just needed to be found.

Still, the lamest thing about the game? Universal ammo. Give me a break, even console gamers aren't THAT stupid.

ThijsH · 16th Jun 2008, 17:21

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Originally Posted by BoomAM

I read a rumor the other week that DX 3 could be a remake of DX1, just with updated graphics and whatnot. Which i'd be pleased about.

This is true. There is currently a few teams working on improved ghrapics, both object graphics and worldgraphics.
<A href="http://www.moddb.com/mods/9009/deus-ex-new-vision">The "NewVision" mod</A>
<http://www.moddb.com/mods/4470/project-hdtp">project HDTP mod</A>

Also, a mod is being made for unreal tournament 2004 which basicely gives DeusEx a better engine (The unreal tournament 2004 one), which is usefull for rendering the better graphics: <A href="http://www.moddb.com/mods/6569/deus-ex-reborn">Deus Ex Reborn</A>
These mods are all compadible with eachother, which when combined will result in one hell of a remake

CardJoe · 16th Jun 2008, 17:33

...so it isn't true then. Those are mods, not DX3.

DX3 is DX3, maybe a prequel, but definitely not a remake.

24th Jul 2007, 15:59	#1
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25th Jul 2007, 00:29	#10
BoomAM Multimodder Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: UK Posts: 133	I read a rumor the other week that DX 3 could be a remake of DX1, just with updated graphics and whatnot. Which i'd be pleased about. DX2 isnt an amazing game, but its not as bad as people make out either. Sure, compared to DX1 it looks awful, but theres probably only about 5 games that have ever been able to compare to DX1. So it was allways gonna be hard to live up to DX1. If you take DX2 for what it is, and stop thinking every few mins, 'in DX1...' then you'll probably appriciate the game more. __________________ http://www.anandtech.com/myanandtech.html?member=76821 "I am standing in the sky on the roof of a glass and steel office tower in Rotterdam. There are twenty-one floors of air between me and the concrete pavement below. I am about to do what i do best. I am about to jump." - Jackie Chan

25th Jul 2007, 05:26	#12
tzang Traditional Nutter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 117	As long as they used the approach to make DX for DX3, it should be fine. Letting Harvey Smith (Witchboy) take over the DX project to make DX:IW seemed to be the cause of the problem although I recall Warren looking after Harvey back then. Couple that with the game being developed for the console in mind, that took away a lot of potential ideas for the game (interface for console, simplicity for console, etc...). You also had the issue of how the ending of DX could transition to the start of DX:IW due to the multiple endings. But as BoomAm mentioned, if you ignore DX and played DX:IW, the game isn't bad at all (along with the good graphics and physics... although the music was a bit disappointing, apart from the title music). The problem was, DX was a fantastic game and people had high hopes for DX2. They were let down when their expectations weren't met. With the DX hype completely gone, DX3 should settle in more comfortably... unless the devs completely screw it up. There are no indications that any of the original team members will help to develop DX3 so things could turn out rather interesting. __________________ I'm always wrong until proven right! Q9450 \| Striker II Extreme \| Corsair 4GB DDR3 \| XFX GTX 280 \| Lian Li PC-75 \| Corsair HX1000W Auzentech X-Fi Prelude \| Logitech G15 / G9 / Z-5500 \| 4x Samsung 750GB & 4x Samsung 1TB \| HP LP2475W Dell XPS M1710 T7200 \| 4GB DDR2 \| 7950GTX \| 320GB HDD - Apple MacBook T8300 \| 4GB DDR3 \| 9400M GS \| 250GB HDD

25th Jul 2007, 08:54	#13
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,964	IIRC, Harvey was given free rein on DX2, but monitored on Thief 3, which uses the same engine. Thief 3 was awesome, but DX2 was...disappointing. It wasn't THAT bad, and I quite liked the circle of mods around the screen personally, but they threw away all the RPG elements and the whole game felt too claustrophobic because of the tiny levels. Keeping the RPG elements and making the levels bigger (may have needed an engine change) would have made it much more fun. One thing I loved about DX2 were the 'unique weapons', hidden guns that had special names and attributes. There was one unique gun of every type somewhere in the game that just needed to be found. Still, the lamest thing about the game? Universal ammo. Give me a break, even console gamers aren't THAT stupid. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

16th Jun 2008, 17:33	#15
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,964	...so it isn't true then. Those are mods, not DX3. DX3 is DX3, maybe a prequel, but definitely not a remake. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog