2GHz Barcelona to compete with 2.33GHz Clovertown - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 26th Jul 2007, 19:54

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/07...3_clovertown/1

AMD's upcoming Barcelona processors will launch at 2.0GHz and, more interestingly, will compete with Intel’s 2.33GHz Xeon 5345 CPU.

Amon · 26th Jul 2007, 20:03

Right out of the HD 2900 XT playbook.

perplekks45 · 26th Jul 2007, 20:04

I somehow feel AMD tries too hard to tell us they don't WANT to go against the high-end Intel CPUs. What if they CAN'T?

Amon · 26th Jul 2007, 20:19

BTW, thanks for Relix'ing my avatar.... whoever it was...

devdevil85 · 26th Jul 2007, 21:58

I hope I'm not over-exceeding my expectations when I say "I hope the 45nm Phenom will be worth the wait"........

DXR_13KE · 26th Jul 2007, 23:58

for the sake of god don't pull another X2900!

perplekks45 · 27th Jul 2007, 00:20

Maybe AMD will nuke (you can see the WiC addiction... I do at least) nVidia and Intel with R700 and Shanghai.

DarkLord7854 · 27th Jul 2007, 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by aon`aTv.gsus666

Maybe AMD will nuke (you can see the WiC addiction... I do at least) nVidia and Intel with R700 and Shanghai.

Provided they don't go bankrupt by then...

adrianx26 · 27th Jul 2007, 07:16

Fusion will come

( fusion the processor)

Brooxy · 27th Jul 2007, 11:15

I'm just hoping AMD pull something back. The only people that would benifit from Intel having a monopoly would be intel, and that's not a good thing.

*crosses fingers for AMD to redeem themself*

specofdust · 27th Jul 2007, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by aon`aTv.gsus666

I somehow feel AMD tries too hard to tell us they don't WANT to go against the high-end Intel CPUs. What if they CAN'T?

Quite probably they cannot right now. But that does not matter very much. AMD rightly realise that the big money is in mid and low end parts. Value for money is what sells a few hundred thousand chips to a single company, not outright performance at any cost. If AMD can get the VFM right on their mid and low end kit, and retake a larger part of those markets with that stable income it'll be left free to focus more on nailing the high end stuff.

Fiber4now · 1st Aug 2007, 13:37

Very fine and dandy relying on the mid and low end but when your high end is in fact low end compared to your two main rivals Nvidia and Intel, your buyers at the OEM level start wondering where are your exciting parts? Which the OEMs can use to advertise and promote the rest of their line up. When you have absolutely nothing at the High end as AMD has not for more than year now, OEMs start asking for better price wise deals to compensate for the lack of excitement your product brings to the market. It is not really the OEMs fault that AMD lost money, it is the fact that without AMD's products to generate hype and advertising the OEMS are locked in a clinch battle in the value sector using AMD, due to the fact that the consumer that purchases at the value end only do so based upon competitive price (cheap), it is not about the hype of what's inside the case for them.

In other words AMD parts do not allow OEMs to put a price premium onto AMD systems, keeping AMD parts strictly in the value segment where margins are very tight to begin with. These tight margins are drawn exclusively from AMD's hide now that AMD can supply chipsets also. This continues erosion of AMD's Average selling price is not due to the fact that they are in a price war with Intel but is due to AMD not having a product that can demand a premium for the OEMs. This helps explains why AMD in its last stock report claimed they moved 38% more units but lost the same amount of money bottom line as they did not selling those 38% more units in the first quarter which was $600 million.

26th Jul 2007, 19:54	#1
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26th Jul 2007, 20:03	#2
Amon inch-perfect Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: cannoning into the reds, Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,456	Right out of the HD 2900 XT playbook. __________________ Defunct Socket 939 San Diego 4000+::2GB PC3200::Radeon 9600 SE 128MB::200GB HDD::24" Dell 2407WFP-HC::WinXP x64/x86 dual boot Dell Vostro 1500 laptop::Socket P Merom T7100::2GB PC5400::Go 8600m GT 256MB::660GB HDD::15.4" WXGA+, 24" Dell 2407WFP-HC::WinXP::Fanatec 911 Wheel+Pedals

26th Jul 2007, 20:04	#3
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,346	I somehow feel AMD tries too hard to tell us they don't WANT to go against the high-end Intel CPUs. What if they CAN'T? __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

26th Jul 2007, 20:19	#4
Amon inch-perfect Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: cannoning into the reds, Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,456	BTW, thanks for Relix'ing my avatar.... whoever it was... __________________ Defunct Socket 939 San Diego 4000+::2GB PC3200::Radeon 9600 SE 128MB::200GB HDD::24" Dell 2407WFP-HC::WinXP x64/x86 dual boot Dell Vostro 1500 laptop::Socket P Merom T7100::2GB PC5400::Go 8600m GT 256MB::660GB HDD::15.4" WXGA+, 24" Dell 2407WFP-HC::WinXP::Fanatec 911 Wheel+Pedals

26th Jul 2007, 23:58	#6
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,466	for the sake of god don't pull another X2900! __________________ *Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK!

26th Jul 2007, 21:58	#5
devdevil85 Hypermodder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 884	I hope I'm not over-exceeding my expectations when I say "I hope the 45nm Phenom will be worth the wait"........

27th Jul 2007, 00:20	#7
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,346	Maybe AMD will nuke (you can see the WiC addiction... I do at least) nVidia and Intel with R700 and Shanghai. __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

27th Jul 2007, 07:16	#9
adrianx26 What's a Dremel? Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bucharest ROMANIA Posts: 6	Fusion will come ( fusion the processor)

27th Jul 2007, 11:15	#10
Brooxy Powered by the PG Monkey... Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,245	I'm just hoping AMD pull something back. The only people that would benifit from Intel having a monopoly would be intel, and that's not a good thing. crosses fingers for AMD to redeem themself __________________ Scorpion - Opteron 146 - 1GB RAM - 120GB Maxtor ATA133 HDD - 8x DVD-RW - 16x DVDROM - nVidia 7800 GTX Graphics - Gigabyte GA-K8N51GMF-9 Mobo - Undergoing Case Mod Phoenix - Toshiba A120 - 1.73 Celeron (Dothan) - 1GB RAM - 60GB HDD - ATi 200m Graphics Salamander - Intel Pentium III @ 733MHz - 256Mb RAM - Total HDD @ 80Gb

1st Aug 2007, 13:37	#12
Fiber4now Don't feed the trolls Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 27	Very fine and dandy relying on the mid and low end but when your high end is in fact low end compared to your two main rivals Nvidia and Intel, your buyers at the OEM level start wondering where are your exciting parts? Which the OEMs can use to advertise and promote the rest of their line up. When you have absolutely nothing at the High end as AMD has not for more than year now, OEMs start asking for better price wise deals to compensate for the lack of excitement your product brings to the market. It is not really the OEMs fault that AMD lost money, it is the fact that without AMD's products to generate hype and advertising the OEMS are locked in a clinch battle in the value sector using AMD, due to the fact that the consumer that purchases at the value end only do so based upon competitive price (cheap), it is not about the hype of what's inside the case for them. In other words AMD parts do not allow OEMs to put a price premium onto AMD systems, keeping AMD parts strictly in the value segment where margins are very tight to begin with. These tight margins are drawn exclusively from AMD's hide now that AMD can supply chipsets also. This continues erosion of AMD's Average selling price is not due to the fact that they are in a price war with Intel but is due to AMD not having a product that can demand a premium for the OEMs. This helps explains why AMD in its last stock report claimed they moved 38% more units but lost the same amount of money bottom line as they did not selling those 38% more units in the first quarter which was $600 million.