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Da Dego · 13th Aug 2007, 13:43

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/08...gram_lawsuit/1

Second Life customers are now butting heads in the courts over copyright infringement allegations for a popular sex program coded by users.

iwog · 13th Aug 2007, 13:50

Are you seriously asking how many bit-tech readers have pirated software? Because i can only think of one person i know with a legal copy of office. And i would seriously love to meet anyone in this day and age with a perfectly clean system, ie nothing ilegal at all, because i dont think they exist.

And this case is bad news, as it blurs the line between virtual and real and would give the US government a stronger case to tax virtual worlds. As i imagine one of the arguments will be loss of earnings, and if you can sue for it i'm pretty sure you can tax it

Delphium · 13th Aug 2007, 13:52

"Ever tried Second Life?"
Thankfully not, I try my best to stay clear of it!
You know when things are bad when you require a second life, not content with the one you have.

Just erase the game and servers I say, be a lot less headaches for us all.

boiled_elephant · 13th Aug 2007, 14:05

I disagree that this is a bad thing...the game does a good job of setting up a trading environment with real money and virtual goods. It's less of a videogame and more WoW meets Ebay. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that one dude is sueing another dude for selling stuff that wasn't his to sell, since real profits ARE concerned here; I don't think this case has any ramifications for the rest of the gaming world. This case has a valid foundation; all other legal cases involving video games (that is, REAL video games, not half-way counterparts) have been trampled down in laughter (see also: the Catholic Church vs. Sony case :-P )

DXR_13KE · 13th Aug 2007, 14:05

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Originally Posted by iwog

And i would seriously love to meet anyone in this day and age with a perfectly clean system, ie nothing ilegal at all, because i dont think they exist.

i am thinking of Glider.....

chrisb2e9 · 13th Aug 2007, 14:28

I tried second life years ago when it first came out. didn't run well on my comp but watching someone build a catapult to fling animals was entertaining for a bit. I've thought about trying it since then now that i've gone through a few more pc's but i would rather do something in the real world instead.

Morphine-Kitty · 13th Aug 2007, 15:30

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Originally Posted by iwog

And i would seriously love to meet anyone in this day and age with a perfectly clean system, ie nothing ilegal at all, because i dont think they exist.

I know only 1 person with a completely legal system. She buys her music off of iTunes and everything.

It's sad when I only know one person who doesn't commit internet piracy...

[USRF]Obiwan · 13th Aug 2007, 16:20

I rather play HalfLife...

Cupboard · 13th Aug 2007, 16:21

Mine's not too bad, but I did get the oppurtunity to buy my OS for $40 from the MS company store

Vista ultimate for $40 and office ultimate for $70 i think it was.

zabe · 13th Aug 2007, 16:23

I already have my life with a quite full timetable of social entertainment with real people, I can't really understand why people would leave their real lives aside to go and create a new personality that doesn't even exist. Maybe they're unhappy with their lives? Then try to make it better, don't play your dream-life in a game: the easy way is never the right way.

Still, if the guy had created content of his own and the other is making a profit without the author's permission (and even laughing at his face as it seems), I say GO!! and crunch him under mountains of legal papers. That'll teach him to play fair... and some respect for others' work.

wafflesomd · 13th Aug 2007, 17:23

Haha, sexy lawsuits!

Bungle · 13th Aug 2007, 18:53

Porn copyright.....anyone else see the irony of that.

DougEdey · 13th Aug 2007, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwog

Are you seriously asking how many bit-tech readers have pirated software? Because i can only think of one person i know with a legal copy of office. And i would seriously love to meet anyone in this day and age with a perfectly clean system, ie nothing ilegal at all, because i dont think they exist.

I would be one of those people, there's no need for illegal software when we have free alternatives.

C-Sniper · 14th Aug 2007, 00:55

wow; instead of letting the real legal system work this out.... why not they put on in that game. That way our tax dollars aren't wasted on this ridiculous BS!

Rebourne · 14th Aug 2007, 03:44

Well he has a case, although this is pretty dang strange lol.

chrisb2e9 · 14th Aug 2007, 04:30

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Originally Posted by C-Sniper

wow; instead of letting the real legal system work this out.... why not they put on in that game. That way our tax dollars aren't wasted on this ridiculous BS!

Thats a good idea, he should sue for the money they use in the game.

theSarge00 · 14th Aug 2007, 06:16

Better question to ask is: how many people can get through their day without checking their email? IMs? The web? Phones or voicemail*? Is there a lack of communication validity to these modes? Are they a game? No, because they're a person to person connection.

So is Second Life. There is an essential blind spot in many people's minds in relation to Second Life (many of them even from inside SL) because it uses game system mechanics (logging into an online virtual world populated by 3d figures on a 3d landscape) that it is a game, but in essence, all SL IS is just another venue for the transfer of information from one person to one or more other people. One of the stated objectives of SL by it's designers, is for it to be the next stage of evolution for the web. There are no objectives except those one sets for oneself . Like the web, it's simply an environment onto which people impose their personal agendas.

The press, of course, focuses on the E Ticket items - people making money in SL, and of course the Sex. Making money is no big thing; anyone with something to sell and an email address can get a paypal account and conduct business through the web. People make money off of all kinds of non-essential items: from designer clothes, to ringtones. Useless fripperies, as true in first life as in Second Life. Now sex, sex has glommed onto every form of communication since cave paintings. Porn drove the VHS standard, the CD Rom, the DVD, and many web protocols. Is it a surprise to anyone that it's in SL? Everyone talks about the uselessness of virtual sex, but someone's got to be lying, because porn is EVERYWHERE. Last time I was in Rome, across the street from the Vatican, I saw some of the filthiest smut you can imagine at a street vendor, tucked in with the humorous postcards of Michaelangelo 's David's cock, and the the latest Michellin travel guides. Porn is a HUGE business, so someone somewhere is buying it, and not just some trenchcoat wearing sociopaths. What's the difference between a virtual call-girl and a smutty story with pictures in a magazine? Only the interactive aspect - there's a real person, disinterested or not, at the other end of those pixels.

Myself, I've been a digital compositor for the film and television industry for 11 years now. I rode the dot.com roller coaster, been married, divorced, and like Billy the Kid for killing, averaged out, been with a different woman for every year I've lived (and I was around when Camelot fell in the streets of Dallas, barely). I've wallowed in life, eaten it's fruits with appetite and appreciation. And I see Second Life not so much as an escape from my first life, but as an _extention_ - a new avenue for exploration and communication. Working in the film industry has been vastly rewarding, but even there, I never (directly) worked for a member of the peerage, a knight; however, in SL I did - a visiting surgeon who was giving a talk inWorld, and wanted an avatar that resembled him. On any given day I can chat with PhD's and artists, bricklayers and doctors, hookers and priests. I can attend a "live" reading by Vonnegut, or go to a concert given by an obscure Australian garage band. If I were so inclined, I could build an exact full scale model of my rw home and consult with decorators from around the world, live and in situ, and make the changes there and then, and even get an estimate on what it would cost to make those changes in the outside world.

Mind you, it's far from perfect. It has problems like any other forum. Plenty of folks endanger primary relationships over it, or pass up opportunities to pursue it - however, plenty of folks will allow anything to have that degree of focus in their lives: from religion to politics to sports. They're seeking a plug for some hole in their lives, as EVERYONE is - some simply take it too far, and that's not just a problem with SL.

I'm not saying it's deadly serious, however, SL isn't a game. It's a tool - for fun, or business, or self-expression.

* Consider if you will: not 20 years ago, the idea of a person with a pod stuck in their ear allowing anyone to access them 24/7 like a a piece of required data would have been the crux of a sci fi cautionary tale - today, it's business as usual. The phone has within my adult lifetime changed from a feature of a place (home, office, or if you're a captain of industry, a radiophone in your car!) to a feature of a fully functional, socially integrated person.

proxess · 14th Aug 2007, 08:31

Ever tried a First Life?

Amon · 14th Aug 2007, 08:32

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Originally Posted by proxess

Ever tried a First Life?

Minimum system specs?

Morphine-Kitty · 14th Aug 2007, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Amon

Minimum system specs?

I think the recommended ones are like a human body and mind or something. I haven't checked in a while though.

13th Aug 2007, 13:43	#1
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Second Life sex program lawsuit http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/08...gram_lawsuit/1 Second Life customers are now butting heads in the courts over copyright infringement allegations for a popular sex program coded by users. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

13th Aug 2007, 13:50	#2
iwog Linux cursed Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: IoW, UK Posts: 710	Are you seriously asking how many bit-tech readers have pirated software? Because i can only think of one person i know with a legal copy of office. And i would seriously love to meet anyone in this day and age with a perfectly clean system, ie nothing ilegal at all, because i dont think they exist. And this case is bad news, as it blurs the line between virtual and real and would give the US government a stronger case to tax virtual worlds. As i imagine one of the arguments will be loss of earnings, and if you can sue for it i'm pretty sure you can tax it __________________ Welcome to bit-tech, watch out for thread drift Things can only get better

13th Aug 2007, 13:52	#3
Delphium You there computer man fix my pants Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: on teh interwebz Posts: 1,256	"Ever tried Second Life?" Thankfully not, I try my best to stay clear of it! You know when things are bad when you require a second life, not content with the one you have. Just erase the game and servers I say, be a lot less headaches for us all. __________________ \| Asus P5N32-E SLI \| Q6600 G0 @3.0ghz Watercooled \| 8GB Corsair Dominator PC8500 @1066mhz 5-5-5-15 2T \| XFX GTX285 \| BFG 8800GTS \| XFX 9600GT \| 1x 128GB Crucial M225 SSD \| 5x 500GB Seagate SATA-II \| BFG 800W SLI PSU \| Logitech Z-5500 5.1ch speakers \| 3x Dell S2209W 22"wide TFT's (5760x1080res) \| 1x Panasonic 42"Plasma \| All working on Win7 Ultimate x64 \|

13th Aug 2007, 14:28	#6
chrisb2e9 Dont do that... Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,068	I tried second life years ago when it first came out. didn't run well on my comp but watching someone build a catapult to fling animals was entertaining for a bit. I've thought about trying it since then now that i've gone through a few more pc's but i would rather do something in the real world instead. __________________ attack life, it's going to kill you anyway. Long-term relationships are like urban tomatoes: they only grow under special conditions. - Prestidigitweeze Don't hold on to the reigns once you've fallen off the horse, your just going to get dragged to death - SNiiPE_DoGG

13th Aug 2007, 16:20	#8
[USRF]Obiwan Ultramodder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,220	I rather play HalfLife... __________________ Mascleta: "The most accurate simulation of thunder, humans can simulate..." The answer is 42, so... whats the question again? If you know what 'Peek' and 'Poke' represents, then you are probably as old as me.

13th Aug 2007, 16:21	#9
Cupboard I'm not a modder. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bury St Edmunds/Durham Uni Posts: 1,845	Mine's not too bad, but I did get the oppurtunity to buy my OS for $40 from the MS company store Vista ultimate for $40 and office ultimate for $70 i think it was. __________________ i7 920, 8800GTS 512, 6GB Corsair all in an Intel DX58SO; 3*320GB RAID5; CM Stacker Samsung Q45.

13th Aug 2007, 16:23	#10
zabe Perfect in my imperfection Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 195	I already have my life with a quite full timetable of social entertainment with real people, I can't really understand why people would leave their real lives aside to go and create a new personality that doesn't even exist. Maybe they're unhappy with their lives? Then try to make it better, don't play your dream-life in a game: the easy way is never the right way. Still, if the guy had created content of his own and the other is making a profit without the author's permission (and even laughing at his face as it seems), I say GO!! and crunch him under mountains of legal papers. That'll teach him to play fair... and some respect for others' work.

13th Aug 2007, 17:23	#11
wafflesomd Hypermodder Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 993	Haha, sexy lawsuits! __________________ http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1466/goldie.gif

13th Aug 2007, 18:53	#12
Bungle Rainbow Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 999	Porn copyright.....anyone else see the irony of that. __________________ The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. " Tom Clancy

14th Aug 2007, 03:44	#15
Rebourne Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 321	Well he has a case, although this is pretty dang strange lol.

14th Aug 2007, 06:16	#17
theSarge00 What's a Dremel? Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4	Better question to ask is: how many people can get through their day without checking their email? IMs? The web? Phones or voicemail? Is there a lack of communication validity to these modes? Are they a game? No, because they're a person to person connection. So is Second Life. There is an essential blind spot in many people's minds in relation to Second Life (many of them even from inside SL) because it uses game system mechanics (logging into an online virtual world populated by 3d figures on a 3d landscape) that it is a game, but in essence, all SL IS is just another venue for the transfer of information from one person to one or more other people. One of the stated objectives of SL by it's designers, is for it to be the next stage of evolution for the web. There are no objectives except those one sets for oneself . Like the web, it's simply an environment onto which people impose their personal agendas. The press, of course, focuses on the E Ticket items - people making money in SL, and of course the Sex. Making money is no big thing; anyone with something to sell and an email address can get a paypal account and conduct business through the web. People make money off of all kinds of non-essential items: from designer clothes, to ringtones. Useless fripperies, as true in first life as in Second Life. Now sex, sex has glommed onto every form of communication since cave paintings. Porn drove the VHS standard, the CD Rom, the DVD, and many web protocols. Is it a surprise to anyone that it's in SL? Everyone talks about the uselessness of virtual sex, but someone's got to be lying, because porn is EVERYWHERE. Last time I was in Rome, across the street from the Vatican, I saw some of the filthiest smut you can imagine at a street vendor, tucked in with the humorous postcards of Michaelangelo 's David's cock, and the the latest Michellin travel guides. Porn is a HUGE business, so someone somewhere is buying it, and not just some trenchcoat wearing sociopaths. What's the difference between a virtual call-girl and a smutty story with pictures in a magazine? Only the interactive aspect - there's a real person, disinterested or not, at the other end of those pixels. Myself, I've been a digital compositor for the film and television industry for 11 years now. I rode the dot.com roller coaster, been married, divorced, and like Billy the Kid for killing, averaged out, been with a different woman for every year I've lived (and I was around when Camelot fell in the streets of Dallas, barely). I've wallowed in life, eaten it's fruits with appetite and appreciation. And I see Second Life not so much as an escape from my first life, but as an _extention_ - a new avenue for exploration and communication. Working in the film industry has been vastly rewarding, but even there, I never (directly) worked for a member of the peerage, a knight; however, in SL I did - a visiting surgeon who was giving a talk inWorld, and wanted an avatar that resembled him. On any given day I can chat with PhD's and artists, bricklayers and doctors, hookers and priests. I can attend a "live" reading by Vonnegut, or go to a concert given by an obscure Australian garage band. If I were so inclined, I could build an exact full scale model of my rw home and consult with decorators from around the world, live and in situ, and make the changes there and then, and even get an estimate on what it would cost to make those changes in the outside world. Mind you, it's far from perfect. It has problems like any other forum. Plenty of folks endanger primary relationships over it, or pass up opportunities to pursue it - however, plenty of folks will allow anything to have that degree of focus in their lives: from religion to politics to sports. They're seeking a plug for some hole in their lives, as EVERYONE is - some simply take it too far, and that's not just a problem with SL. I'm not saying it's deadly serious, however, SL isn't a game. It's a tool - for fun, or business, or self-expression. Consider if you will: not 20 years ago, the idea of a person with a pod stuck in their ear allowing anyone to access them 24/7 like a a piece of required data would have been the crux of a sci fi cautionary tale - today, it's business as usual. The phone has within my adult lifetime changed from a feature of a place (home, office, or if you're a captain of industry, a radiophone in your car!) to a feature of a fully functional, socially integrated person.

14th Aug 2007, 08:31	#18
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