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Da Dego · 16th Aug 2007, 16:11

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/08...ayer_hogware/1

Shut down the iPlayer? NEVER! Secret background processes continue to hog your internet connection despite what you tell it to do.

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The_Pope · 16th Aug 2007, 16:19

Media Player > Real Player at least

iwog · 16th Aug 2007, 16:20

that Kservice thing is the same one thats used by 4od. I'm sure that this has already been said in the other thread though. Tried that service too, also annoyed the hell out of me. And its probably somewhere in the EULA saying "to use this service we will rape you PC any way possible"

BioSniper · 16th Aug 2007, 16:25

Sky, 4od, and iPlayer ALL use Kontiki, horrible bandwidth theft tbh.
I luckily knew it had Kontiki in it and make a note to close the services after every session of using the iPlayer but it's almost as bad as spyware, I can understand WHY they've done it but then really need to make it use no more than say, 5k/s upstream.

Jamie · 16th Aug 2007, 16:40

Here is another article on the topic

http://mou.me.uk/2007/05/09/kservice...olen-bandwith/

Nikumba · 16th Aug 2007, 17:25

Whats the software in the screenshots as that looks like a handy tool

Kimbie

-EVRE- · 16th Aug 2007, 17:38

^^Agreed.

What is it!

DeX · 16th Aug 2007, 18:08

The sad thing is that I would be happy to share my bandwidth to get access to on demand tv if I could at the very least control when it was allowed to upload or download. Maybe it would become a bit like bit-torrent however where nobody shares enough to get decent speeds for streaming - but there are ways around this. Private torrent trackers work like a dream because your download quota is directly related to how much you upload. If only the BBC could use this model, the iPlayer may actually be successful.

mclean007 · 16th Aug 2007, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugo.B

Task manager or firewall, don't know because I don't use Vista.
Der.

Neither does iPlayer

FvD · 16th Aug 2007, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikumba

Whats the software in the screenshots as that looks like a handy tool

Kimbie

That's Netlimiter.

FvD

mclean007 · 16th Aug 2007, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeX

The sad thing is that I would be happy to share my bandwidth to get access to on demand tv if I could at the very least control when it was allowed to upload or download. Maybe it would become a bit like bit-torrent however where nobody shares enough to get decent speeds for streaming - but there are ways around this. Private torrent trackers work like a dream because your download quota is directly related to how much you upload. If only the BBC could use this model, the iPlayer may actually be successful.

Also though, a lot of the reason people restrict their upload bandwidth on torrents is that the stuff they are torrenting is often of dubious legality, and the authorities will always go after the big uploaders first, so the perception is that by minimising your uploads you 'fly under the radar' and minimise the risk of a hefty fine.

With iPlayer, which is completely legal to use, this is not an issue. I have uncapped broadband and would happily allow iPlayer to utilise it freely (subject to me having control over it), but if I were the sort of person to download things illegally, I would be disinclined to allow bit-torrent free reign over my upstream bandwidth, even using PeerGuardian, for fear of attracting unwanted official attention.

Da Dego · 16th Aug 2007, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugo.B

Task manager or firewall, don't know because I don't use Vista.
Der.

If you are acknowledging you don't know (and guessed completely wrong), then why did you post?

Idle, short, random and completely unhelpful posts are already covered well enough...

completemadness · 16th Aug 2007, 19:24

i prefer not to allow my downloads/uploads to use my whole connection because everything else dies when you do
If you cant upload/download anymore then your Internet slows to a crawl, games practically stop, and everything starts timing out

I don't even think that having the service run after the program closes is the end of the world, what we do need though is the service to continue to follow your bandwidth allocations
Just because you closed the program doesn't mean you want to give it all your Internet connection, in fact your likely to close it to try and save your Internet connection

Edit:
Shame that petition is outvoted by the one
"Make Jeremy Clarkson Prime Minister"

Quote:

Make Jeremy Clarkson Prime Minister - 15937
prevent the BBC from making its iPlayer on-demand television service available to Windows users only, and instruct the corporation to provide its service for other operating systems also. - 15917

squeck · 16th Aug 2007, 19:39

I use Netlimiter on my machines to limit p2p apps & downloads as i live in a student house (bittorrent kills warcraft for my housemates lol), you can use scheduling and control it remotely. i couldn't download 4oD last time i checked, as i have vista and the flash downloader thingy wouldn't let me and i couldn't be arsed to use a different pc

g3n3tiX · 16th Aug 2007, 20:40

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Originally Posted by BBC

I'm in ur Computah, Stealin' yer bandwidth !!

what they are doing is theft...

But see what happens when a lot of people start really using the tubes (harnessing the powa of P2P)...the infrastructure suffers. Time to upgrade, as I can see a cataclysmic system crash comin' up.

Nikumba · 16th Aug 2007, 20:41

Ok thanks, will look at it

proxess · 16th Aug 2007, 21:28

Real Player for Linux (or any other media player for linux) > Win Media Player. A crash would me nice tho, I might see some sunlight and they might actually upgrade their systems. My TSP has a *cough*backup*cough* system which caught fire some months ago (don't know how). They upgraded the tapes from 300gb to 1.3tb which is rather nice. Anyone up for a burning TSP?

TSP => Tubes Service Provider.

cyrilthefish · 16th Aug 2007, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclean007

Also though, a lot of the reason people restrict their upload bandwidth on torrents is that the stuff they are torrenting is often of dubious legality, and the authorities will always go after the big uploaders first, so the perception is that by minimising your uploads you 'fly under the radar' and minimise the risk of a hefty fine.

nope, 100% of your upload used = no download bandwidth available and 1.5+ seconds ping times.

Doesn't matter if said torrent is 100% legal or 100% illegal, if it maxes your upload, your connection will die a painfull death, that is why people want to limit upload.

I've never even heard of people restricting upload to 'seem more legal' at all in my experience

mclean007 · 16th Aug 2007, 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyrilthefish

nope, 100% of your upload used = no download bandwidth available and 1.5+ seconds ping times.

Doesn't matter if said torrent is 100% legal or 100% illegal, if it maxes your upload, your connection will die a painfull death, that is why people want to limit upload.

All true (hence why I said subject to me having control!), and the software has to play nice with letting other software have a slice of the bandwidth as required. p2p clients really should make their traffic lowest priority and soak up the line only when you're not actively using it for other things, a bit like F@H etc. do with your CPU cycles.

However, a lot of PCs are left on a lot of the time not doing much, and I wager that if iPlayer was good with allowing other apps priority access to bandwidth, users with uncapped connections would be quite happy to let it have pretty free reign over their surplus bandwidth.

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I've never even heard of people restricting upload to 'seem more legal' at all in my experience

Definitely happens - look at the headlines and the people who get busted are often sharing hundreds of gigs of music / movies / software, because it is they who are targeted by the authorities. It's bound to scare people who would otherwise be uploading loads to keep it down a bit.

DriftCarl · 17th Aug 2007, 05:55

I use to use 4od, used the program hack to play it on vista and thats when i discovered kservice. I use to end it every time i finished watching 4od. Then i tried BBC's iplayer(in virtual pc 2007) to my dissapointment, it also had kservice and after a few minutes of watching little britain, I uninstalled it.

I am not prepared to keep ending the kservice process every time I want to stop watching tv. I much prefer watching sports matches on sopcast. Although it is peer to peer program, atleast it closes when you close the program.

16th Aug 2007, 16:11	#1
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	BBC iPlayer = Hogware http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/08...ayer_hogware/1 Shut down the iPlayer? NEVER! Secret background processes continue to hog your internet connection despite what you tell it to do. Digg __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo Last edited by Bindibadgi; 16th Aug 2007 at 16:46.

16th Aug 2007, 16:20	#3
iwog Linux cursed Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: IoW, UK Posts: 710	that Kservice thing is the same one thats used by 4od. I'm sure that this has already been said in the other thread though. Tried that service too, also annoyed the hell out of me. And its probably somewhere in the EULA saying "to use this service we will rape you PC any way possible" __________________ Welcome to bit-tech, watch out for thread drift Things can only get better

16th Aug 2007, 16:25	#4
BioSniper I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere in the south Posts: 3,459	Sky, 4od, and iPlayer ALL use Kontiki, horrible bandwidth theft tbh. I luckily knew it had Kontiki in it and make a note to close the services after every session of using the iPlayer but it's almost as bad as spyware, I can understand WHY they've done it but then really need to make it use no more than say, 5k/s upstream. __________________ My Flickr :: Bit-tech Flickr Wii: 1792 1527 2926 7945 :: Xbox Live: BioSnipr :: PSN: Biosnipr

16th Aug 2007, 16:40	#5
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16th Aug 2007, 16:19	#2
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	Media Player > Real Player at least

16th Aug 2007, 17:25	#6
Nikumba Supermodder Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Dark Place Posts: 371	Whats the software in the screenshots as that looks like a handy tool Kimbie

16th Aug 2007, 18:08	#8
DeX Mube Codder Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,103	The sad thing is that I would be happy to share my bandwidth to get access to on demand tv if I could at the very least control when it was allowed to upload or download. Maybe it would become a bit like bit-torrent however where nobody shares enough to get decent speeds for streaming - but there are ways around this. Private torrent trackers work like a dream because your download quota is directly related to how much you upload. If only the BBC could use this model, the iPlayer may actually be successful. __________________ Play my game: Shyguy's Cave of Death! If you dont have the time to check your spelling and grammar, you dont have the time to post! -Liquid K9

16th Aug 2007, 19:39	#14
squeck Lurker Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: leics/worcs, UK Posts: 94	I use Netlimiter on my machines to limit p2p apps & downloads as i live in a student house (bittorrent kills warcraft for my housemates lol), you can use scheduling and control it remotely. i couldn't download 4oD last time i checked, as i have vista and the flash downloader thingy wouldn't let me and i couldn't be arsed to use a different pc __________________ [aurelia] 3.6Ghz P4 @ 4.0Ghz, 3GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2, ASUS P5ND2 Sli M/B, 400GB hd, Geforce 8800GTX and Aquacomputer WC gear. My site

16th Aug 2007, 20:41	#16
Nikumba Supermodder Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Dark Place Posts: 371	Ok thanks, will look at it

16th Aug 2007, 21:28	#17
proxess Victim of AdvancedModernCapitalism Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The town of Love, Funchal Posts: 600	Real Player for Linux (or any other media player for linux) > Win Media Player. A crash would me nice tho, I might see some sunlight and they might actually upgrade their systems. My TSP has a coughbackupcough system which caught fire some months ago (don't know how). They upgraded the tapes from 300gb to 1.3tb which is rather nice. Anyone up for a burning TSP? TSP => Tubes Service Provider. __________________ Netbook: Asus eeePC 901; 12Gb SDD; Custom Ubuntu 9.04 Minimal Compiz Standalone. Laptop: Intel Centrino Duo T5500 1.66ghz; 2048mb RAM; ATI Mobility Radeon x2300; Hitachi 120gb iPod Classic 120GB; Maxtor 160GB External; Ubuntu 9.10 x64 and Windows 7 x64.

17th Aug 2007, 05:55	#20
DriftCarl Multimodder Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 199	I use to use 4od, used the program hack to play it on vista and thats when i discovered kservice. I use to end it every time i finished watching 4od. Then i tried BBC's iplayer(in virtual pc 2007) to my dissapointment, it also had kservice and after a few minutes of watching little britain, I uninstalled it. I am not prepared to keep ending the kservice process every time I want to stop watching tv. I much prefer watching sports matches on sopcast. Although it is peer to peer program, atleast it closes when you close the program.