AGP is back from the dead. Again. - bit-tech.net Forums

Da Dego · 4th Sep 2007, 14:50

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09...e_dead_again/1

Both Nvidia and AMD will continue to support the AGP interface, despite the fact that PCI-Express 2.0 is days away and AGP is over three years out of date.

sunny_man · 4th Sep 2007, 14:53

Christ. Now I gotta wait for the price of PCI-E 2 boards to come down to a reasonable level? Can't win.

Brooxy · 4th Sep 2007, 14:53

So when do we get an 8800 that will fit in an ISA socket?

radodrill · 4th Sep 2007, 14:58

I can see some people have older motherboards and want better graphics but don't want to upgrade the whole shabang.

Bindibadgi · 4th Sep 2007, 15:03

Three year+ old motherboards? That's nearly 4 chipset revisions and graphics product cycles out of date.

I see you have a LanParty 925X

twas a nice board!

Jamie · 4th Sep 2007, 15:10

I'm keeping the AGP spirit alive!

Hiren · 4th Sep 2007, 15:11

Me too!

AGP forever .o/

DXR_13KE · 4th Sep 2007, 15:14

still have an AGP board here.... but i wont upgrade the GC, i am planing on a total overhaul.

Bluephoenix · 4th Sep 2007, 15:14

I think the real reason these are coming out is to increase the penetration of DX10 so that more people can play the games.

With a full 8x bus and an 8800GTS 320 you could probably play Crysis on medium at least.

DougEdey · 4th Sep 2007, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Jamie

I'm keeping the AGP spirit alive!

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Originally Posted by Hiren

Me too!

AGP forever .o/

Stoneage fools

E.E.L. Ambiense · 4th Sep 2007, 15:18

lol. Yeah, I got an AGP board around too...or two....

capnPedro · 4th Sep 2007, 15:23

My HTPC is AGP. Got a nice like 6200 (or something) in there. Passively cooled stock and s-video out. I see no need to upgrade that.

However, my last PC that I used for gaming was also AGP. Overclocked 7800GS. A real beaut of a card - the most powerful AGP card available in fact. But in order to upgrade the CPU, I had to upgrade the mobo. Which meant PCI-E. And DDR2. Not that I'm complaining of course.

AGP still has its place - there are some great cheap kit available that is fine for workstations/HTPCs/etc.

SJH · 4th Sep 2007, 15:28

I'm not quite in agreement with people that say AGP is "out of date". Like capnPedro says above, it still has its uses. "Out of date" implies that it simply can't be used anymore in any situation. I still have a machine that runs on AGP graphics and it works fine for what I use it for.

Sam

Lee @ Scan · 4th Sep 2007, 15:46

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Originally Posted by DougEdey

Stoneage fools

LOL

I know what you mean though, people expect to be able to get a all singing and dancing quad core supporting board and then whack their 4 year old AGP graphics card back into the system because it cost them 300 pounds when they bought it and want to squeeze every penny of usage out of it.

[USRF]Obiwan · 4th Sep 2007, 15:53

Its a waste of resources... I wish AMD would make some socket A cpu's again instead of am2

Icy EyeG · 4th Sep 2007, 16:03

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Originally Posted by capnPedro

However, my last PC that I used for gaming was also AGP. Overclocked 7800GS. A real beaut of a card - the most powerful AGP card available in fact. But in order to upgrade the CPU, I had to upgrade the mobo. Which meant PCI-E. And DDR2. Not that I'm complaining of course.

In my opinion, these recent AGP cards are good for those people that consider the GPU the most important part of the PC, and prefer to invest several times on a GPU rather than on a balanced updated system. But I admit that there may be some cases where it makes sense (thinking about expensive AGP based workstations).

In my case I did the exact opposite (which is considered a mistake by many

). I have a core 2 duo 6600 with an Asrock 776dual-VSTA, 1 Gb DDR-400 dual channel and a MSI geforce ti-4200-8x (with video in)

. As I'm not a gamer and this board was very expensive at the time (I bought the retail box

) I decided to update the motherboard and CPU. However, the overal performance of my system on a daily basis isn't very good, so I'm going to update the motherboard and the GPU (finally

).

I said this to point out that Core 2 duo+AGP = to Asrock dual-VSTA series (weak) motherboards.

(It's just my opinion)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee @ Scan

I know what you mean though, people expect to be able to get a all singing and dancing quad core supporting board and then whack their 4 year old AGP graphics card back into the system because it cost them 300 pounds when they bought it and want to squeeze every penny of usage out of it.

I guess I'm one of those..... But wouldn't it make more sense to invest on making good AGP motherboards for state of the art CPUs instead of making state of the art AGP cards for older systems, as far as the squeeze-every-penny users are concerned?

glaeken · 4th Sep 2007, 16:03

Just what I've been needing. The problem with ragging on people who still have AGP is this; A lot of people built they're computers before pci-e was out. And for people who are broke and in college (like myself), upgrading every time some new hardware tech comes out is quite impossible. And if you built your system with an agp and socket 754, you have to re-buy everything, not just a new cpu and mobo, but memory, psu, and graphics also. That's a whole new system save hdd and case, and you can't do it gradually it's all or nothing if you want a new gpu and cpu.

Pimp Daddy · 4th Sep 2007, 16:12

It makes sense to support this in some way because their are a lot of machines out there that only have the AGP socket on the motherboards. They'd be abandoning a sizable section of the customer base if they don't support it for the next few years.

Da Dego · 4th Sep 2007, 16:24

I'm surprised, but happy. I have an old P4 northwood board and chip that I loved to death (the old Abit IC7-G), and I still have it sitting around. It's a great system and would be more than enough with a healthy overclock to handle most thing thrown at it, but it doesn't have onboard and my old AGP cards have long since joined the silicon gods. I wouldn't even mind paying a bit for something that could run a little newer stuff.

DX10 is actually a REASON to get more life out of AGP, since the API actually can offload a lot more to the graphics card in an efficient manner, whereas DX9 used to need to push things through the CPU. It would actually extend the life of those boards significantly!

Bindibadgi · 4th Sep 2007, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Pimp Daddy

It makes sense to support this in some way because their are a lot of machines out there that only have the AGP socket on the motherboards. They'd be abandoning a sizable section of the customer base if they don't support it for the next few years.

It's the conflict between graphics manufacturers and chipset and CPU producers. One wants more market, the latter wants to drive new ones.

4th Sep 2007, 14:50	#1
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	AGP is back from the dead. Again. http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09...e_dead_again/1 Both Nvidia and AMD will continue to support the AGP interface, despite the fact that PCI-Express 2.0 is days away and AGP is over three years out of date. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

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Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,280	Three year+ old motherboards? That's nearly 4 chipset revisions and graphics product cycles out of date. I see you have a LanParty 925X twas a nice board! __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

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Bluephoenix Spoon? What spoon? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Posts: 936	I think the real reason these are coming out is to increase the penetration of DX10 so that more people can play the games. With a full 8x bus and an 8800GTS 320 you could probably play Crysis on medium at least.

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capnPedro Deaf forever to the battle's din Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North-East England Posts: 2,987	My HTPC is AGP. Got a nice like 6200 (or something) in there. Passively cooled stock and s-video out. I see no need to upgrade that. However, my last PC that I used for gaming was also AGP. Overclocked 7800GS. A real beaut of a card - the most powerful AGP card available in fact. But in order to upgrade the CPU, I had to upgrade the mobo. Which meant PCI-E. And DDR2. Not that I'm complaining of course. AGP still has its place - there are some great cheap kit available that is fine for workstations/HTPCs/etc. __________________ ASUS M4A785TD-M Evo \| AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE \| D-Tek FuZion 4GB Corsair XMMS3-10666 \| Corsair TX650 Point Of View 8800GTX \| EK FC-8800

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SJH Ultramodder Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bristol Posts: 1,407	I'm not quite in agreement with people that say AGP is "out of date". Like capnPedro says above, it still has its uses. "Out of date" implies that it simply can't be used anymore in any situation. I still have a machine that runs on AGP graphics and it works fine for what I use it for. Sam __________________ Sam Hastings

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[USRF]Obiwan Ultramodder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,220	Its a waste of resources... I wish AMD would make some socket A cpu's again instead of am2 __________________ Mascleta: "The most accurate simulation of thunder, humans can simulate..." The answer is 42, so... whats the question again? If you know what 'Peek' and 'Poke' represents, then you are probably as old as me.

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glaeken Yehehehessss! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indy, US Posts: 1,428	Just what I've been needing. The problem with ragging on people who still have AGP is this; A lot of people built they're computers before pci-e was out. And for people who are broke and in college (like myself), upgrading every time some new hardware tech comes out is quite impossible. And if you built your system with an agp and socket 754, you have to re-buy everything, not just a new cpu and mobo, but memory, psu, and graphics also. That's a whole new system save hdd and case, and you can't do it gradually it's all or nothing if you want a new gpu and cpu. __________________ I drink your milkshake! I drink it up! My Graphics Blog

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Pimp Daddy Halt! Hammerzeit! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hull, England Posts: 12	It makes sense to support this in some way because their are a lot of machines out there that only have the AGP socket on the motherboards. They'd be abandoning a sizable section of the customer base if they don't support it for the next few years. __________________ David Morris BSc. (Hons), MBCS Qualified Computer Engineer Nationally Recognised Trainer Life Member of Hull University Union

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Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	I'm surprised, but happy. I have an old P4 northwood board and chip that I loved to death (the old Abit IC7-G), and I still have it sitting around. It's a great system and would be more than enough with a healthy overclock to handle most thing thrown at it, but it doesn't have onboard and my old AGP cards have long since joined the silicon gods. I wouldn't even mind paying a bit for something that could run a little newer stuff. DX10 is actually a REASON to get more life out of AGP, since the API actually can offload a lot more to the graphics card in an efficient manner, whereas DX9 used to need to push things through the CPU. It would actually extend the life of those boards significantly! __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo