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Da Dego · 5th Sep 2007, 14:04

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09..._of_cheating/1

AMD has accused Nvidia of using an aggressive noise reduction algorithm in order to help garner a perfect score in Silicon Optix's HD HQV benchmarks.

mashles · 5th Sep 2007, 14:43

looks like you accidently pasted an extra phrase in the middle there

"and offer (could force AMD to offer adjustable settings in its own driver package. )a 0-100 percent noise reduction slider that can be adjusted by users."

TommyVD · 5th Sep 2007, 15:20

Wow, AMD sure lashes out when it's backed into a corner...

DarkLord7854 · 5th Sep 2007, 15:21

AMD is getting lame IMO >.>

DXR_13KE · 5th Sep 2007, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkLord7854

AMD is getting lame IMO >.>

i feel that 2

Akava · 5th Sep 2007, 16:33

Im a big fan of AMD myself, mainly cause i have never liked Intel much, but i have to agree unfotunatly. It does seem they are lashing out with no real basis for it. Its a shame, but time will tell wether its "an old tiger sensing the end" or just childish games.

[USRF]Obiwan · 5th Sep 2007, 16:54

AMD is starting to act like Calimero

kosch · 5th Sep 2007, 16:54

oh noes another benchmark done by a big corporate company that inst entirely truthful!

wafflesomd · 5th Sep 2007, 18:08

They used to be cool.

completemadness · 5th Sep 2007, 18:53

so does this have any effect on your Linux mythtv box playing through myththdvd
No ? thought not - yawn

David_Fitzy · 5th Sep 2007, 19:37

So the challenge here for both companies was to create a video processing system using hardware and software. Where has nVidia cheated by using aggressive noise reduction in their (software) driver? Is AMD saying that it's not true video processing unless it's done in hardware?

But to be honest I'm with the crowd so far AMD are just really bitter and spiteful with their current situation.

HourBeforeDawn · 5th Sep 2007, 20:47

ehh wouldnt be the first time that nVidia has cheated or has everyone forgot about the 3dmark issue that arised in the past.

Morpheon · 6th Sep 2007, 01:29

Yo! AMD....since you bought ATI you've done **** with it !!! and I am damn AMD fanboy.....get your ass in gear and take the 2900 series and make that into something worth having and stop going over nvidia with fine tooth comb....youre getting your ass handed too you...

and can that Black Edition X2 while youre at it ....hard to be a fanboy is theres nothing to fan over.

and Nvidia you 8800 is getting long in tooth so step up too.

ok rant over

Gravemind123 · 6th Sep 2007, 01:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkLord7854

AMD is getting lame IMO >.>

Gotta agree, the Intel thing seemed to be true, and I'm no fan of either company, but AMD seemed to have better business practices, but now? Suing all their competition? Just lame.

SPQQKY · 6th Sep 2007, 03:37

OMG, all this really points to is that nVidia has better drivers by allowing adjustments for these noise reduction algorithms. So AMD is mad because nVidia is smarter and has more user friendly drivers?

Ghys · 6th Sep 2007, 08:24

ever since AMD bought ATI ...

things have been going downhill. The first time I saw green on the ATI website, my canadian pride got hurt... badly

yakyb · 6th Sep 2007, 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpheon

Yo! AMD....since you bought ATI you've done **** with it !!!

what do you want them to do? they inherited the design when they bought them, there would be very little they could do in the time they owned ATI (esspecially with Admin issues etc). any time spent improving the design would have lead to a later release and we all know how late it was already it wasnt AMD's fault it was ATI's besides performance is actually pretty good now.

anyway back on topic

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=157297

can you honestly tell me that should get 100 in an image quality test.

yes its quite petty but still if the 2000 series is better at something it deserves a better score so it can market it

what if AMD where to release a driver that meant it could get 25% more FPS in all games but the image quality went to **** (i'm sure they could do this if they wanted) would it be allowed to be call these benchmarks for advertisement i would say no

Naberius · 6th Sep 2007, 13:03

Its pathetic, instead of wasting their time accusing Nvidia they should get working on something that will get them back in the market a bit more.

proxess · 6th Sep 2007, 13:22

AMD is falling behind in all fronts and all they do is complain. They should stop whining!

The_Beast · 6th Sep 2007, 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naberius

Its pathetic, instead of wasting their time accusing Nvidia they should get working on something that will get them back in the market a bit more.

exactly

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Akava Thread Necromancer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In your fridge... no, really... go check Posts: 923	Im a big fan of AMD myself, mainly cause i have never liked Intel much, but i have to agree unfotunatly. It does seem they are lashing out with no real basis for it. Its a shame, but time will tell wether its "an old tiger sensing the end" or just childish games.

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