Media Defender emails leak onto the Internet - bit-tech.net Forums

Da Dego · 17th Sep 2007, 14:53

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09...the_internet/1

What can only be called a case of ultimate irony, Media Defender, a company dedicated to stopping the spread of music and movies on P2P networks, has had internal documents leaked onto the Internet.

Mankz · 17th Sep 2007, 15:08

Pwned

Hells_Bliss · 17th Sep 2007, 15:09

isn't a private company "downloading for evidence" files off a P2P site still breaking copyright laws? I want to see the RIAA and MPAA sue them for $100,000 per enfringement

I wouldn't be surprised if heads rolled in the NYDA office too, I don't see warrants for all those recorded IP addresses and download histories, not including that download accelerator fiasco that just happened to scan a private PC and sends all results to MediaDefender...isn't that a breach of privacy, spreading spyware, and entrapment? good job! do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.

Da Dego · 17th Sep 2007, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Hells_Bliss

isn't a private company "downloading for evidence" files off a P2P site still breaking copyright laws? I want to see the RIAA and MPAA sue them for $100,000 per enfringement

I wouldn't be surprised if heads rolled in the NYDA office too, I don't see warrants for all those recorded IP addresses and download histories, not including that download accelerator fiasco that just happened to scan a private PC and sends all results to MediaDefender...isn't that a breach of privacy, spreading spyware, and entrapment? good job! do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.

Yep, and what's worse is that using a private company to do a public job without going through public channels to obtain all of this stuff not only puts the NYDA at risk, but also Media Defender - which could be sued into non-existence if anyone is actually contacted regarding these operations.

The problem is, it's child porn - that makes it hard to side with the perps. It's one thing if we were talking more copyright infringement, but the NYDA's sting is on something that's hard to say no to.

"You're catching child porn traders and picture takers by illegal means..."

How many people would care if it busts up a ring of 100 or so kiddie-molesters? Unfortunately, people are willing to trade away their liberties for the illusion of safety every day of the week.

D3s3rt_F0x · 17th Sep 2007, 15:31

By infiltrated do you mean hacked?

If so what if it was your own email box on the net would you be happy? What about these laws for privacy which are there to protect you?

Or is it a case of becaue its a company you dont like you decide its ok to look and therefore for them to be "infiltrated"?

Not gonna agree with what there doing if what you posted is correct but wouldnt exactly agree with you looking at the stuff either after if its been obtained illegaly. But my argument all hinges on if this was an inside person who wanted to expose things fair enough however if its a hacker then shame on you.

Rebourne · 17th Sep 2007, 15:38

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Originally Posted by D3s3rt_F0x

By infiltrated do you mean hacked?

If so what if it was your own email box on the net would you be happy? What about these laws for privacy which are there to protect you?

Or is it a case of becaue its a company you dont like you decide its ok to look and therefore for them to be "infiltrated"?

Not gonna agree with what there doing if what you posted is correct but wouldnt exactly agree with you looking at the stuff either after if its been obtained illegaly. But my argument all hinges on if this was an inside person who wanted to expose things fair enough however if its a hacker then shame on you.

No it's not right, but it's what they've done to countless individuals and now its happened to them. In that way it is very amusing.

DougEdey · 17th Sep 2007, 15:41

Two wrongs do not make a right

Da Dego · 17th Sep 2007, 15:58

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Originally Posted by DougEdey

Two wrongs do not make a right

Ah, but three lefts do!

flabber · 17th Sep 2007, 15:59

They won't be accused and given a fine of 100.000 per infringement... unfortunately. RIAA/MPAA and all of their buddies are covering eachother's back. I wouldn't be suprised if 90% of the "monkeys" at RIAA/MPAA are downloading illegally as well.

Nova · 17th Sep 2007, 16:16

well luckily i stay to the bigger easier to hide in sites. but its good to see someone managed to turn the tables and really piss "the man" off. hopefully this wont really poke the lion in the cage and set of a whole new rash of problems because im looking forward to downloading the shows i wanna watch that start this week

naokaji · 17th Sep 2007, 16:17

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Originally Posted by D3s3rt_F0x

By infiltrated do you mean hacked?

If so what if it was your own email box on the net would you be happy? What about these laws for privacy which are there to protect you?

Or is it a case of becaue its a company you dont like you decide its ok to look and therefore for them to be "infiltrated"?

Not gonna agree with what there doing if what you posted is correct but wouldnt exactly agree with you looking at the stuff either after if its been obtained illegaly. But my argument all hinges on if this was an inside person who wanted to expose things fair enough however if its a hacker then shame on you.

theres one problem though...

Seriously, its a clear failing of the government if it gives away the fight against criminals to companies (that they make money of it is even worse)....

law enforcment needs to be with the police, and absolutly noone else.

but, both the government and the police have failed to enforce that... so, it is the right and the responsibility of the people to stand up and fight before its too late.

metarinka · 17th Sep 2007, 16:21

in terms of the riaa trying to sue them, that would make no sense, under copy right law the you have to express permission to obtain a copy of said material. now obviously if they are working for the RIAA they'll have permission and what type of boss would sue you for doing the job you paid them to do?

metarinka · 17th Sep 2007, 16:22

oh this is all pretty messed up, media defender has it's dirty laundry out in the open now. and while most p2per's a happier they are out of commission this is fighting fire with fire, and Id on't think it will end well

Bluephoenix · 17th Sep 2007, 16:26

I applaud this as using illegal tactics to enforce the law is completely wrong and violates everything the Constitution stands for.

Even though the people they helped put away were doing some evil stuff, the courts exist for a reason, the law exists for a reason, and even the most evil people in the world deserve a fair trial.

as one of our forum member's sig states:
I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -voltaire

Hells_Bliss · 17th Sep 2007, 16:28

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in terms of the riaa trying to sue them, that would make no sense, under copy right law the you have to express permission to obtain a copy of said material. now obviously if they are working for the RIAA they'll have permission and what type of boss would sue you for doing the job you paid them to do?

but they weren't working for the RIAA or MPAA, the MPAA has specifically said they had no knowledge of MediaDefenders actions. They were working for the NY District attourneys office. God knows how much information they downloaded for "evidence." I'm sure there would have been child pornography included, but all of it is inadmissible in US courts...that whole illegal search and seizure amendment...so all they did was ruin their reputation, cause a lot of people to look like idiots, and break the law themselves.

good intentions maybe, child porn is sick, but it's still illegal.

herbs · 17th Sep 2007, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Da Dego

Yep, and what's worse is that using a private company to do a public job without going through public channels to obtain all of this stuff not only puts the NYDA at risk, but also Media Defender - which could be sued into non-existence if anyone is actually contacted regarding these operations.

The problem is, it's child porn - that makes it hard to side with the perps. It's one thing if we were talking more copyright infringement, but the NYDA's sting is on something that's hard to say no to.

Oh great no more Law & Order then, poor Jack Mcoy is out of a job

Hells_Bliss · 17th Sep 2007, 16:33

nah he'll just run for president like his boss did

DXR_13KE · 17th Sep 2007, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Bluephoenix

violates everything the Constitution stands for.

that constitution that today is full of holes because of other laws that were approved during these past years?

C-Sniper · 17th Sep 2007, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Mankz.

Pwned

+1

wharrad · 17th Sep 2007, 18:40

Downloading for evidence huh? They should take part in the storage space survey...

I wonder if their employees ever took a backup of the evidence home just encase of an office fire...

17th Sep 2007, 14:53	#1
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Media Defender emails leak onto the Internet http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09...the_internet/1 What can only be called a case of ultimate irony, Media Defender, a company dedicated to stopping the spread of music and movies on P2P networks, has had internal documents leaked onto the Internet. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

17th Sep 2007, 15:09	#3
Hells_Bliss Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NC, USA Posts: 548	isn't a private company "downloading for evidence" files off a P2P site still breaking copyright laws? I want to see the RIAA and MPAA sue them for $100,000 per enfringement I wouldn't be surprised if heads rolled in the NYDA office too, I don't see warrants for all those recorded IP addresses and download histories, not including that download accelerator fiasco that just happened to scan a private PC and sends all results to MediaDefender...isn't that a breach of privacy, spreading spyware, and entrapment? good job! do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. __________________ Asus P5N32-SLi Extreme, Intel Conroe E6600 @ 2.4GHz, 4GB Corsair XMS2 @ 1060MHz, eVGA GeForce 8800 GTX @ 621MHz, 2 WD 250GB 7200RPM HDD's, Creative Soundblaster Fatal1ty pro

17th Sep 2007, 15:41	#7
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17th Sep 2007, 15:59	#9
flabber Multimodder Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 122	They won't be accused and given a fine of 100.000 per infringement... unfortunately. RIAA/MPAA and all of their buddies are covering eachother's back. I wouldn't be suprised if 90% of the "monkeys" at RIAA/MPAA are downloading illegally as well. __________________ motustudio.org <---- fiddling around with Wordpress and such - Thermaltake Mozart, DFI Lanparty UT NF4 Ultra-D - AMD64 3800+ - XFX 7900 GT - 2Gb Corsair ram - 160Gb HD

17th Sep 2007, 16:21	#12
metarinka I am a Dremel Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,619	in terms of the riaa trying to sue them, that would make no sense, under copy right law the you have to express permission to obtain a copy of said material. now obviously if they are working for the RIAA they'll have permission and what type of boss would sue you for doing the job you paid them to do? __________________ project: Orbitoid project: Orbitoid discussion Project: Angry-9 the WWII radio

17th Sep 2007, 15:31	#5
D3s3rt_F0x Hypermodder Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Near Middlesbrough Posts: 681	By infiltrated do you mean hacked? If so what if it was your own email box on the net would you be happy? What about these laws for privacy which are there to protect you? Or is it a case of becaue its a company you dont like you decide its ok to look and therefore for them to be "infiltrated"? Not gonna agree with what there doing if what you posted is correct but wouldnt exactly agree with you looking at the stuff either after if its been obtained illegaly. But my argument all hinges on if this was an inside person who wanted to expose things fair enough however if its a hacker then shame on you.

17th Sep 2007, 16:16	#10
Nova Modder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marietta, Ohio Posts: 53	well luckily i stay to the bigger easier to hide in sites. but its good to see someone managed to turn the tables and really piss "the man" off. hopefully this wont really poke the lion in the cage and set of a whole new rash of problems because im looking forward to downloading the shows i wanna watch that start this week

17th Sep 2007, 16:22	#13
metarinka I am a Dremel Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,619	oh this is all pretty messed up, media defender has it's dirty laundry out in the open now. and while most p2per's a happier they are out of commission this is fighting fire with fire, and Id on't think it will end well __________________ project: Orbitoid project: Orbitoid discussion Project: Angry-9 the WWII radio

17th Sep 2007, 16:26	#14
Bluephoenix Spoon? What spoon? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Posts: 936	I applaud this as using illegal tactics to enforce the law is completely wrong and violates everything the Constitution stands for. Even though the people they helped put away were doing some evil stuff, the courts exist for a reason, the law exists for a reason, and even the most evil people in the world deserve a fair trial. as one of our forum member's sig states: I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -voltaire

17th Sep 2007, 16:33	#17
Hells_Bliss Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NC, USA Posts: 548	nah he'll just run for president like his boss did __________________ Asus P5N32-SLi Extreme, Intel Conroe E6600 @ 2.4GHz, 4GB Corsair XMS2 @ 1060MHz, eVGA GeForce 8800 GTX @ 621MHz, 2 WD 250GB 7200RPM HDD's, Creative Soundblaster Fatal1ty pro

17th Sep 2007, 18:40	#20
wharrad Hypermodder Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burford, Oxfordshire Posts: 866	Downloading for evidence huh? They should take part in the storage space survey... I wonder if their employees ever took a backup of the evidence home just encase of an office fire... __________________ Jimmy Carr - "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission"