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specofdust · 30th Sep 2007, 11:07

Hi all,

I might be going on holiday very shortly (8th october) and I don't have a camera. So considering that most cameras below £50-70 are crap anyway, and that having a semi-decent camera phone would cut down on what I had to carry, I figured I'd look into them.

What's good right now? I'm moderately skint so the k800i seemed like a good idea, with perhaps an extra battery or a protable AA charger so the battery wouldn't be an issue.

Are there better phones out there for that money or around that money though? Tips on where to buy from would be apreciated also. I'm using an el cheapo tesco mobile sim atm, and I'd quite like to keep it because of aforementioned skintness, but I wouldn't mind just going to an independant phone shop to pay the £10-15 that phone unlocking costs if it was worth it.

Cheers alll.

lamboman · 30th Sep 2007, 12:00

TBH, I would either get a not so good phone and a decent camera, or go for a camera phone that is amazing. The K800i has an okay camera, but personally I wouldn't buy it for that. If you want the absolute and are willing to spend a lot more, then the Nokia N95, which is probably the best phone on the market at the moment, is great. But, if you are looking for casual photography, I guess that the K800i would be just fine.

specofdust · 30th Sep 2007, 12:07

Thing is though, a decent camera is >£100 on its own, and tbh I almost never use a camera anyway. I don't imagine I've taken more then about 20-30 pics on the houses digicam this year, I only really feel I should have one since I'm goin' abroad. I'm not going anywhere near N95 expense tbh. Cheers though.

Mother-Goose · 30th Sep 2007, 12:44

The K800i is a good alround performer tbh, nothing fantastic but nothing crap either

Atomic · 1st Oct 2007, 15:48

The K800i knocks the socks off most camera phones because it has a proper flash. For the price your not going to get anything to beat it yet.

specofdust · 1st Oct 2007, 15:54

Well, I just hit "confirm" for one off O2. I'll almost certainly have to take it down to an indie shop and get it unlocked for £5-10, but I paid £99.99 for the phone and got a 1GB memory card thrown in for the money, so it seems like it's the best deal out there. Also gonna pick up a second battery, since I'm guessing that Xenon flash kills battery quick. Cheers for the replies guys.

Elz · 1st Oct 2007, 17:57

I had a k800i for about a year and was very happy with it, until it got stolen

Now I use an old samsung d500 that was donated to me. It annoys me frequently.

Ramble · 1st Oct 2007, 18:05

Recently got a k810i which is just a k800i in a flashier case.
Can post some pics to compare quality?

specofdust · 1st Oct 2007, 18:15

Not sure I'll have time before I go to polskiland, but if I havn't posted any here by the 18th or 19th of this month feel free to drop me a PM and I'll get some upped. AFAIK though the 810i is exactly the same camera and camera sofware as the 810i, the 810i just has some minor upgrades and a different casing.

mctigger · 1st Oct 2007, 18:17

samsung g600, 5 mp camera with flash and goes up to iso 400, pretty good imo, but could be pricey, i got mine free on contract

herbs · 2nd Oct 2007, 08:30

£100 would get you a reasonable point and click camera with optical zoom not some digital zoom rubbish on a phone.

specofdust · 5th Oct 2007, 08:25

Well, got my phone delivered a couple of days ago.

In some ways it's great, the music player is the best I've seen on a phone, the camera is exactly what I was after (something compact and decent enough), the UI and navigation is really good. However, there are some really stupid things wrong with it. The phone isn't nearly customisable enough for one. It goes into a sleepmode mode after about 15 seconds, and that time isn't alterable anywhere I can find. The alarm function also seems determined to vibrate if it wants to.

Most importantly though, the Sony Ericcson software that came with it nearly destroyed my PC. Twice. First time I installed the latest version from the net, it installed, I opened it, the program crashed and then my computer blue-screened briefly and restarted. At the same point in every boot sequence it would blue-screen and restart. I had to go into safemode and use a restore point (<3 restore) to get my computer back. Tried installing the disc version in case it was version specific or something, but it wasn't. So I have no computer software besides the very limited 3rd party stuff. That's fairly dissapointing because I'd have loved to have gotten my PC and my phone syncing automatically when in range etc.

Mother-Goose · 5th Oct 2007, 08:43

The sony software is typically crap and doesn't really work.

I don't use outlook so it doesn't really sync to anything at all.

As for getting images off the memory card, it was easier to get a cheapo memory stick usb reader off ebay.

However, I have since found this absolutely bitchin' piece of software, if you've got bluetooth on your pc, it syncs whenever you are in range of the thing, and you can send texts from your comp over the phone, and even answer the phone and use your headset to talk to people (I have never used this function).

And best of all? It syncs your contacts!!!

specofdust · 5th Oct 2007, 08:57

I actually found FMA, but it didn't really seem good for much. I guess I'll have to poke around it some more. Am I missing many other features from the SE software? I was under the impression that there was a fair bit of stuff (remote etc.) that was SE software only? Do you know if it's possible to get rid of the network operator name at the top of the phones main screen btw?

Mother-Goose · 5th Oct 2007, 08:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by specofdust

I actually found FMA, but it didn't really seem good for much. I guess I'll have to poke around it some more. Am I missing many other features from the SE software? I was under the impression that there was a fair bit of stuff (remote etc.) that was SE software only? Do you know if it's possible to get rid of the network operator name at the top of the phones main screen btw?

The bluetooth remote is completely independent of the SE software which is a god send. The software doesn't actually add anything worth while imo. It just serves to piss me off so I don't bother with it anymore.

As far as the operator logo goes, I don't know of any phone that lets you remove it

mushky · 5th Oct 2007, 09:10

k850 out v soon. 5mp camera

specofdust · 5th Oct 2007, 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother-Goose

As far as the operator logo goes, I don't know of any phone that lets you remove it

Heh, my last phone, a cheap nokia 6030 actually did. Ah well, no big deal.

Mushky, I've got a phone now, I already knew that there were superior camera phones out there for much more money. I was time and money limited though.

30th Sep 2007, 11:07	#1
specofdust Banned Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 9,465	Camera phone, k800i? Hi all, I might be going on holiday very shortly (8th october) and I don't have a camera. So considering that most cameras below £50-70 are crap anyway, and that having a semi-decent camera phone would cut down on what I had to carry, I figured I'd look into them. What's good right now? I'm moderately skint so the k800i seemed like a good idea, with perhaps an extra battery or a protable AA charger so the battery wouldn't be an issue. Are there better phones out there for that money or around that money though? Tips on where to buy from would be apreciated also. I'm using an el cheapo tesco mobile sim atm, and I'd quite like to keep it because of aforementioned skintness, but I wouldn't mind just going to an independant phone shop to pay the £10-15 that phone unlocking costs if it was worth it. Cheers alll. __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Nil nisi malis terrori Mmm bop!

30th Sep 2007, 12:07	#3
specofdust Banned Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 9,465	Thing is though, a decent camera is >£100 on its own, and tbh I almost never use a camera anyway. I don't imagine I've taken more then about 20-30 pics on the houses digicam this year, I only really feel I should have one since I'm goin' abroad. I'm not going anywhere near N95 expense tbh. Cheers though. __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Nil nisi malis terrori Mmm bop!

30th Sep 2007, 12:44	#4
Mother-Goose Tories ftw! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: England - Surrey Posts: 3,812	The K800i is a good alround performer tbh, nothing fantastic but nothing crap either __________________ Goose Q6600, Striker Extreme, 4GB 6400C4 Dominator DHX, Raptor X, 2x400GB spinpoints, BFG 9800GTX OC, Stacker 830 Evo, HX650, Nova T 500, Freezer 7 Pro

1st Oct 2007, 15:54	#6
specofdust Banned Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 9,465	Well, I just hit "confirm" for one off O2. I'll almost certainly have to take it down to an indie shop and get it unlocked for £5-10, but I paid £99.99 for the phone and got a 1GB memory card thrown in for the money, so it seems like it's the best deal out there. Also gonna pick up a second battery, since I'm guessing that Xenon flash kills battery quick. Cheers for the replies guys. __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Nil nisi malis terrori Mmm bop!

1st Oct 2007, 18:05	#8
Ramble Ginger Nut Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 5,402	Recently got a k810i which is just a k800i in a flashier case. Can post some pics to compare quality? __________________ Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Ensign Ricky are beaming down to the planet. Guess who's not coming back.

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30th Sep 2007, 12:00	#2
lamboman I am a Dremel Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,509	TBH, I would either get a not so good phone and a decent camera, or go for a camera phone that is amazing. The K800i has an okay camera, but personally I wouldn't buy it for that. If you want the absolute and are willing to spend a lot more, then the Nokia N95, which is probably the best phone on the market at the moment, is great. But, if you are looking for casual photography, I guess that the K800i would be just fine.

1st Oct 2007, 15:48	#5
Atomic Gerwaff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 9,027	The K800i knocks the socks off most camera phones because it has a proper flash. For the price your not going to get anything to beat it yet.

1st Oct 2007, 17:57	#7
Elz miaow Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: London Posts: 71	I had a k800i for about a year and was very happy with it, until it got stolen Now I use an old samsung d500 that was donated to me. It annoys me frequently.

1st Oct 2007, 18:15	#9
specofdust Banned Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 9,465	Not sure I'll have time before I go to polskiland, but if I havn't posted any here by the 18th or 19th of this month feel free to drop me a PM and I'll get some upped. AFAIK though the 810i is exactly the same camera and camera sofware as the 810i, the 810i just has some minor upgrades and a different casing. __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Nil nisi malis terrori Mmm bop!

1st Oct 2007, 18:17	#10
mctigger Hypermodder Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 620	samsung g600, 5 mp camera with flash and goes up to iso 400, pretty good imo, but could be pricey, i got mine free on contract

2nd Oct 2007, 08:30	#11
herbs Nobody but us chickens Join Date: May 2001 Location: feck knows Posts: 3,858	£100 would get you a reasonable point and click camera with optical zoom not some digital zoom rubbish on a phone. __________________ A police recruit was asked during the exam, "What would you do if you had to arrest your own mother?" He said, "Call for backup." "you could have it all, my empire of dirt, I will let you down, I will make you hurt"

5th Oct 2007, 08:25	#12
specofdust Banned Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 9,465	Well, got my phone delivered a couple of days ago. In some ways it's great, the music player is the best I've seen on a phone, the camera is exactly what I was after (something compact and decent enough), the UI and navigation is really good. However, there are some really stupid things wrong with it. The phone isn't nearly customisable enough for one. It goes into a sleepmode mode after about 15 seconds, and that time isn't alterable anywhere I can find. The alarm function also seems determined to vibrate if it wants to. Most importantly though, the Sony Ericcson software that came with it nearly destroyed my PC. Twice. First time I installed the latest version from the net, it installed, I opened it, the program crashed and then my computer blue-screened briefly and restarted. At the same point in every boot sequence it would blue-screen and restart. I had to go into safemode and use a restore point (<3 restore) to get my computer back. Tried installing the disc version in case it was version specific or something, but it wasn't. So I have no computer software besides the very limited 3rd party stuff. That's fairly dissapointing because I'd have loved to have gotten my PC and my phone syncing automatically when in range etc. __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Nil nisi malis terrori Mmm bop!

5th Oct 2007, 08:43	#13
Mother-Goose Tories ftw! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: England - Surrey Posts: 3,812	The sony software is typically crap and doesn't really work. I don't use outlook so it doesn't really sync to anything at all. As for getting images off the memory card, it was easier to get a cheapo memory stick usb reader off ebay. However, I have since found this absolutely bitchin' piece of software, if you've got bluetooth on your pc, it syncs whenever you are in range of the thing, and you can send texts from your comp over the phone, and even answer the phone and use your headset to talk to people (I have never used this function). And best of all? It syncs your contacts!!! __________________ Goose Q6600, Striker Extreme, 4GB 6400C4 Dominator DHX, Raptor X, 2x400GB spinpoints, BFG 9800GTX OC, Stacker 830 Evo, HX650, Nova T 500, Freezer 7 Pro

5th Oct 2007, 08:57	#14
specofdust Banned Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 9,465	I actually found FMA, but it didn't really seem good for much. I guess I'll have to poke around it some more. Am I missing many other features from the SE software? I was under the impression that there was a fair bit of stuff (remote etc.) that was SE software only? Do you know if it's possible to get rid of the network operator name at the top of the phones main screen btw? __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Nil nisi malis terrori Mmm bop!

5th Oct 2007, 09:10	#16
mushky gimme snails Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: cambs uk Posts: 5,755	k850 out v soon. 5mp camera