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Da Dego · 4th Oct 2007, 13:48

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/10...ew_1_2kw_psu/1

Seeking to please computer users that have a system that's power ravenous, PC Power & Cooling has launched its Turbo-Cool 1200 PSU.

Mankz · 4th Oct 2007, 13:57

As if a 1-KW SR wasn't enough anyway...

Mother-Goose · 4th Oct 2007, 14:01

Ya know,they really should cap psu's in same way they are (trying to) cap emmissions.

They should say that 650watts is the maximum allowed and then the hardware manufactuer's (I'm looking at you nVidia and AMD (ATi) yes, YOU!) will be forced to get the performance on and have decent power usage.

TheCherub · 4th Oct 2007, 14:08

The lack of the modular facility is a little annoying, especially when you bear in mind the enormous number of cables that come with this power supply.

Is there any reason (from an electrical point of view) why they have chosen not to make modular power supplies? Given that it is a company with such a reputation, I would expect there to be a reason for it.

mclean007 · 4th Oct 2007, 14:44

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Originally Posted by TheCherub

The lack of the modular facility is a little annoying, especially when you bear in mind the enormous number of cables that come with this power supply.

Is there any reason (from an electrical point of view) why they have chosen not to make modular power supplies? Given that it is a company with such a reputation, I would expect there to be a reason for it.

Theoretically, every connection adds impedance and a potential point of failure, but these are pretty negligible and are IMHO far outweighed by the benefits of a modular PSU. Perhaps there is an issue with physical space inside the PSU given the heavy duty componentry (not to mention cooling) needed to service 1.2kW??

Cupboard · 4th Oct 2007, 15:14

Is there a significance in there only being one rail?

ỒĊBłůē · 4th Oct 2007, 15:28

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Originally Posted by Cupboard

Is there a significance in there only being one rail?

I noticed that - the 1kW version appears to be single rail flavour too.

Their reasoning is explained here (#8).

They've answered the modular plugs one there too, though I'd suggest that if they used better quality (industry standard) plug & sockets there would be less of a problem.

naokaji · 4th Oct 2007, 15:32

the point behind sinlge rail is that the multi rail psu's are limited for how much they can put out per rail, also you cant screw up by demanding too much of one rail while leaving the others "alone" when there is only one rail.

Awoken · 4th Oct 2007, 15:39

Can a households electricity supply support this under 75-85% load in addition to all the other modern appliances and chargers?

Risky · 4th Oct 2007, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Awoken

Can a households electricity supply support this under 75-85% load in addition to all the other modern appliances and chargers?

A kettle might be about 3000W. You don't need the 3-phase power supply yet.

HandMadeAndroid · 4th Oct 2007, 16:24

yeah **** the environment, pass me an uber cola and some sun screen

devdevil85 · 4th Oct 2007, 20:51

I thought 1000W was ridiculous.....

DXR_13KE · 4th Oct 2007, 21:02

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Originally Posted by Mother-Goose

Ya know,they really should cap psu's in same way they are (trying to) cap emmissions.

They should say that 650watts is the maximum allowed and then the hardware manufactuer's (I'm looking at you nVidia and AMD (ATi) yes, YOU!) will be forced to get the performance on and have decent power usage.

i am with him!!!

Zurechial · 5th Oct 2007, 00:31

Oh joy, another defeat for common sense.
Yet another overpowered toy for those with more money than sense and more insecurities than an enlarged e-penis can cure..

completemadness · 5th Oct 2007, 00:35

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six PCI-E connections, 15 drive connections (6 SATA, 8 Molex, 1 mini), and 24-pin, dual 8-pin, and 4-pin motherboard connections

Why on earth do you need 6 PCI-E connections (SLI only needs 4 ... and its not enough for quad SLI)
Why dual 8 pins as well, motherboards only have 1, and why the 4 pin on top of that, just give a 8->4 adaptor for those that need it

Jeez if they put a second 24pin in there you could run 2 computers (and then some) on this power supply

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Originally Posted by ỒĊBłůē

I noticed that - the 1kW version appears to be single rail flavour too.

Their reasoning is explained here (#8).

They've answered the modular plugs one there too, though I'd suggest that if they used better quality (industry standard) plug & sockets there would be less of a problem.

Im not too sure on some of them (#3, 4, 5, 6)

Fod · 5th Oct 2007, 07:33

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but for those that actually have rigs that draw massive amount of power then this could be just what the doctor ordered.

....and, pray tell, who are these mythical, elusive people with such rigs as to draw legendary amounts of POWAH?

naokaji · 5th Oct 2007, 09:37

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Originally Posted by Fod

....and, pray tell, who are these mythical, elusive people with such rigs as to draw legendary amounts of POWAH?

2x Quad Core Xeon + SLI with highend Nvidia Quadro Cards + 16 GB FB DIMM Ram + Raid 60 Array with 8+ 15 K HDD.... thats about as close to such amounts of power as you can get...

no i dont have one

(but if someone wants to donate one just drop me a pm

)

[USRF]Obiwan · 5th Oct 2007, 09:38

very environment friendly indeed. They / we should:

swap harddrives for solidstate (harddrive manufactures should start making deals with memorychip makers as soon as possible)
swap 65nm CPU for 45nm CPU (or lower nm) as soon as possible
swap 65GPU for r45nm GPU (or lower nm) as soon as possible
make better/efficient motherboars as soon as possible
make better/efficient videocards as soon as possible
make better/efficient PSUs as soon as possible (instead of the "more watt is better war" invent the "less watt is ownage war" )
swap all crt monitors for energy efficient lcd monitors (with same qualities)

All the above will have a real effect on the worlds powerdrain.

p3n · 5th Oct 2007, 09:44

As stated on the PCPC site a PSU doesnt actually use more power unless you plug more into it, and a high power psu at lower usage will usually be more efficient.

Im sure people could use a good 600w on hard drive arrays and such, less enthusiasts bashing kit thats made for them tbh!

Kipman725 · 5th Oct 2007, 09:56

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Originally Posted by mclean007

Theoretically, every connection adds impedance and a potential point of failure, but these are pretty negligible and are IMHO far outweighed by the benefits of a modular PSU. Perhaps there is an issue with physical space inside the PSU given the heavy duty componentry (not to mention cooling) needed to service 1.2kW??

Every connection has resistance and even if it's only a fraction of an Ohm that means alot when your drawing large currents through it. For example if we have a connection with a impedance of 0.02ohm and draw 30A through it P=I^2 * R states we have a connector disapating 18W! enough to damage the connector. Another problem is that the impedance of the connectors will cause increased load modulation of the voltage components recive by increasing the output impedance of the power supply. For example with our same example asuming a supply voltage of 12V the load will only be reciving 11.4V which puts the supply out of the ATX spec (not that PCPC psus conform to this anyway... but thats another issue (and one that I agree that they should take the stance they take due to the specs been geared towrads cheaper psus)).

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Mankz ITS OVER 8000! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Somewhere in Berks Ninja Status: Lv.69 Posts: 8,080	As if a 1-KW SR wasn't enough anyway...

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Mother-Goose Tories ftw! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: England - Surrey Posts: 3,750	Ya know,they really should cap psu's in same way they are (trying to) cap emmissions. They should say that 650watts is the maximum allowed and then the hardware manufactuer's (I'm looking at you nVidia and AMD (ATi) yes, YOU!) will be forced to get the performance on and have decent power usage. __________________ Goose Q6600, Striker Extreme, 4GB 6400C4 Dominator DHX, Raptor X, 2x400GB spinpoints, BFG 8800GTX OC, Stacker 830 Evo, HX620, Nova T 500, Freezer 7 Pro

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TheCherub Supermodder Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 375	The lack of the modular facility is a little annoying, especially when you bear in mind the enormous number of cables that come with this power supply. Is there any reason (from an electrical point of view) why they have chosen not to make modular power supplies? Given that it is a company with such a reputation, I would expect there to be a reason for it.

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devdevil85 Hypermodder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 884	I thought 1000W was ridiculous.....

5th Oct 2007, 09:38	#18
[USRF]Obiwan Ultramodder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,218	very environment friendly indeed. They / we should: swap harddrives for solidstate (harddrive manufactures should start making deals with memorychip makers as soon as possible) swap 65nm CPU for 45nm CPU (or lower nm) as soon as possible swap 65GPU for r45nm GPU (or lower nm) as soon as possible make better/efficient motherboars as soon as possible make better/efficient videocards as soon as possible make better/efficient PSUs as soon as possible (instead of the "more watt is better war" invent the "less watt is ownage war" ) swap all crt monitors for energy efficient lcd monitors (with same qualities) All the above will have a real effect on the worlds powerdrain. __________________ Mascleta: "The most accurate simulation of thunder, humans can simulate..." The answer is 42, so... whats the question again? If you know what 'Peek' and 'Poke' represents, then you are probably as old as me.

5th Oct 2007, 09:44	#19
p3n Hypermodder Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 736	As stated on the PCPC site a PSU doesnt actually use more power unless you plug more into it, and a high power psu at lower usage will usually be more efficient. Im sure people could use a good 600w on hard drive arrays and such, less enthusiasts bashing kit thats made for them tbh!