News Leopard spotted with more problems

[Da Dego]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/11...ore_problems/1

More problems are surfacing concerning Apple’s latest OS X upgrade, Leopard. This time firewalls are being disabled and computers left open to invasion.

[ArtificialHero]

I can't comment on the firewall issues, I've haven't even had my PowerBook switched on for long enough to check if it's switched on since I installed Leopard, but the install went absolutely swimmingly. It seems that installation problems are only occurring for a very small minority of users (not that that excuses Apple).

[iwog]

It never rains but it pours. Now if only the fan boys could stop claiming superiority then the world would be a better place, especailly if every OS user would accept that they are inferior to every other OS user in some way.

[woodshop]

Still no word on the Java .6 issue... issue being the lack of it.. It's making me put off my upgrade..
/me stares longly @ leopard box

[sotu1]

i've not been around long enough to really know, but surely every OS upgrade comes complete with it's share of bugs? i think that leopard seems like its getting some bad pres atm, but didnt vista still have virus problems which hadn't been sorted since windows 2000/ME or something silly like that?

[Firehed]

TBH, I don't trust any software firewall - for reasons like this. I leave it to my router which does a much better job of everything, doesn't waste my system resources, and is on across all connected systems.

The firewall in OS X does seem to suck as far as I can tell from poking around the settings for it, although the built-in Windows one seems only the tiniest bit better.

[Bluephoenix]

Cisco ASA 5515 F T W!!

no need for performance-sucking firewalls here,

though it is worth noting even the most expensive hardware firewall still needs to be backed up by a decent antivirus program, AVG (payware) does the job nicely, and doesn't choke the system.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by Bluephoenix

AVG (payware) does the job nicely, and doesn't choke the system.

Unless you play any source based game in which case you could be in for a world of hurt. (Sorry for the OT post, sore issue)

[ChiperSoft]

users who haven’t noticed their firewall deactivated may potentially already be infected with malware that won’t be caught by Apple’s software

And just what malware would they be infected with? That britney spears porn trojan is the first piece of real malware to show up on the mac, and even it relies on stupid horndogs installing a foreign codec.

[Atomic]

Originally Posted by ChiperSoft

And just what malware would they be infected with? That britney spears porn trojan is the first piece of real malware to show up on the mac, and even it relies on stupid horndogs installing a foreign codec.

It's the same as a windows user running a dodgy program!

It doesn't come in via the network like the article seems to think and it needs the user to run it and give it admin privilidges too.

[Rocket733]

Leopard spotted with more problems. hehe...

[Bluephoenix]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Unless you play any source based game in which case you could be in for a world of hurt. (Sorry for the OT post, sore issue)

actually, there are ways around it

I'm on my laptop which has company required norton; but I'll dig up the settings for you when I get home.

[RTT]

Originally Posted by Firehed

TBH, I don't trust any software firewall - for reasons like this. I leave it to my router which does a much better job of everything, doesn't waste my system resources, and is on across all connected systems.

The firewall in OS X does seem to suck as far as I can tell from poking around the settings for it, although the built-in Windows one seems only the tiniest bit better.

Woah, that's the last thing I expected someone to post! Without wanting to sound like a fanboy, you do realise OS X's firewall is ipfw? For the uninitiated - thats FreeBSD's firewall! It's an incredibly powerful, reliable, tried and tested, widely used firewall and runs in the kernel (where it belongs) and so the impact on performance is next to none. You can play with it via terminal (obviously)

The firewall was actually the first thing I went to check when I enabled Leopard, i was surprised to see it turned off

[Da Dego]

Originally Posted by Rocket733

Leopard spotted with more problems. hehe...

At least SOMEONE got Phil's subtle joke. I personally found it entertaining.

[Rocket733]

Yeah, it made my day actually.

[Firehed]

Originally Posted by RTT

Woah, that's the last thing I expected someone to post! Without wanting to sound like a fanboy, you do realise OS X's firewall is ipfw? For the uninitiated - thats FreeBSD's firewall! It's an incredibly powerful, reliable, tried and tested, widely used firewall and runs in the kernel (where it belongs) and so the impact on performance is next to none. You can play with it via terminal (obviously)

The firewall was actually the first thing I went to check when I enabled Leopard, i was surprised to see it turned off

I think it's off in Tiger by default, too. Honestly, I have no idea - it may normally be fantastic. All I can say for sure is that it appears to be less configurable than the Windows firewall or anything you'd find on a router last time I checked in it's spot in System Prefs (I'd VNC home to double-check but something's gone funny on that end, so I'll comment with more certainty in a couple hours).

Maybe the firewall config is the one thing I really haven't quite switched over to expecting Mac-like simplicity yet since I'm so used to playing with all of the port forwarding rules and such in my router. Normally that simplicity works really well for me, but with something as complex as a firewall, it just seems overdone.

[ChiperSoft]

Like many *nix systems, the GUI for OSXs firewall doesn't touch on it's full potential. You have to dive into the .conf files to really configure it. OSX Server's GUI is much more powerful, but that's because they want you to pay for it.

[The_Beast]

there isn't any surprise here

Apple release this OS too soon

[dyzophoria]

Originally Posted by iwog

It never rains but it pours. Now if only the fan boys could stop claiming superiority then the world would be a better place, especailly if every OS user would accept that they are inferior to every other OS user in some way.

I find this the comment with the most sense.

[Gravemind123]

Originally Posted by The_Beast

there isn't any surprise here

Apple release this OS too soon

And yet it was already delayed. I really wish I had a Mac that I could try this out on. I've used Tiger enough to get a feel for it, and have enjoyed using. Sure there are issues, but that's true of any OS, but it goes to show that not even Apple is perfect, despite what fanboys say. I'm sure they'll have a fix for these issues soon, unless they really want to look more like Microsoft usually does!