New Study: P2P Music increases CD sales? - bit-tech.net Forums

Da Dego · 6th Nov 2007, 14:32

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/11..._sales_study/1

A new study claims that peer to peer music sharing actually increases the sales of CDs and OiNK may be down, but that doesn't mean its spirit is dead...

samkiller42 · 6th Nov 2007, 14:38

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Originally Posted by Article

if you do download it and it's good quality, why buy it? Owning a CD may be nice, but is a bit of polycarbonate worth a crisp note if you already own the contents?

Maybe because not everybody owns a MP3 player/iPod, or has a car PC system, and so would want to be able to listen to it in the car.

Sam

Bursar · 6th Nov 2007, 14:58

Pandora is cool. Hadn't come across it before. I really like Musicovery as well.

Anakha · 6th Nov 2007, 15:09

Just as a quick note, it's University College. University Collage would be made up of lots of little bits stuck together.

will. · 6th Nov 2007, 15:10

New study:

A new study is being undertaken to determine how many studies are under way to find out if all, or any, of the studies already taken on the subject of illegal music downloading are either bullshit, porky pies or just pointless, annoying and biased towards whoever is in control of the damn study.

airchie · 6th Nov 2007, 15:58

LMAO @ Will!

Until I read the article about the RIAA shutting up shop or embracing non-DRM'd downloads, its just more of the same IMO...

serial_ · 6th Nov 2007, 16:22

The majority of my mp3 collection is from CDs I converted to digital medium, and most of those CDs were purchased because I pirated a few of the songs off the interwebs first =).

So you see... it's a vicious cycle...

pendragon · 6th Nov 2007, 16:31

i've downloaded many a tune, and then gone out and actually bought new Cd's because of it... hell, if it wasn't for file sharing i'd never have gone to all the concerts that ive been to in the past few years! take that RIAA ..|.. X_X ..|..

Computer Gremlin · 6th Nov 2007, 16:45

Haven't bought a single CD in a while. The music is terrible quality and their is nothing inspiring or interesting available. WCYY at 94.3 FM here in Maine plays the best music around but tying to find the CDs to the music they play is difficult. All the new bands don't disclose sales or only sell live CDs at concerts.

BioSniper · 6th Nov 2007, 16:51

I am one of those that will download to see if it's worth buying.
The last NiN CD (Year Zero) was like that, I downloaded it, loved it to bits, bought it and I regularly do the same with other music. It's like shareware, you need to try before you buy imo. Selling a CD on the strength of one single isn't good enough for most consumers.

Lee @ Scan · 6th Nov 2007, 16:57

Right... I do not grab albums but what I do grab are live sets by various DJ's like Antiscience, Autobots, Deekline & Wizard and a load of others.

While this is not affected my albums I've purchased this year ... 1 - Pendulum - Hold your colour (my first copy got damaged), what it has affected is my weekends out as now I tend to be all over the place seeing names I wouldn't be seeing unless I downloaded their sets and gave them a good listen to.

AcidJiles · 6th Nov 2007, 21:04

how suprising (sarcasm)

oh wait this is what those who know the truth about p2p etc have been saying for years

impar · 6th Nov 2007, 22:57

Greetings!

P2P studies...

Quote:

We estimate that the effect of one additional P2P download per month is to increase music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year.

So, the study reaches the conclusion that
"the effect of one additional P2P download per month is to increase music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year"
that means that
"the effect of twelve additional P2P downloads per year is to increase music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year"
or, since its impossible to buy 0.44 CD, that
"the effect of twenty seven (~27.3) additional P2P downloads per year is to increase music purchasing by 1 CD per year".

If only one of the ~27.3 downloads results in a CD sale, what results the other 26.3 downloads?
Guessing some will be deleted, others will join the "pirate chest".

DXR_13KE · 7th Nov 2007, 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by impar

Greetings!

P2P studies...

So, the study reaches the conclusion that
"the effect of one additional P2P download per month is to increase music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year"
that means that
"the effect of twelve additional P2P downloads per year is to increase music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year"
or, since its impossible to buy 0.44 CD, that
"the effect of twenty seven (~27.3) additional P2P downloads per year is to increase music purchasing by 1 CD per year".

If only one of the ~27.3 downloads results in a CD sale, what results the other 26.3 downloads?
Guessing some will be deleted, others will join the "pirate chest".

you got it wrong.... the effect of one additional download is 0.44 CDs per year, if so then 12 should increase the purchasing by 5,28..... if it is 27 then 11.88 albums.... if it is 1000 downloads then it increases the purchasing by 440 albums.... and so on....

i wonder if this also works in reverse...... if you download minus 1000 and it decreases the purchasing by 440 albums.....

impar · 7th Nov 2007, 00:26

Greetings!

The authors used different time measures.

1 download per month, 0.44 CDs per year.
12 downloads per year, 0.44 CDs per year.
1 download per month, 0.03(6) CDs per month.

Aankhen · 7th Nov 2007, 12:03

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Originally Posted by samkiller42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Article

if you do download it and it's good quality, why buy it? Owning a CD may be nice, but is a bit of polycarbonate worth a crisp note if you already own the contents?

Maybe because not everybody owns a MP3 player/iPod, or has a car PC system, and so would want to be able to listen to it in the car.

Certainly, but I'm pretty sure most people these days have access to something that can burn CDs. Isn't it much better to have a CD filled with tracks that you like, rather than a single album which contains a mix of a few tracks that you like and many that you don't much care for?

Drexial · 7th Nov 2007, 14:31

i can find data from the first three years of napsters existence that proved this. this is no new study. its not only because you can preview, it also exposes you to music you never would have heard before. i didn't even read the article this is such an old point.

Lee @ Scan · 7th Nov 2007, 14:38

Audiogalaxy was where it was at.

The day that service ended - the day a small part of me shed a small tear

DXR_13KE · 7th Nov 2007, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by impar

Greetings!

The authors used different time measures.

1 download per month, 0.44 CDs per year.
12 downloads per year, 0.44 CDs per year.
1 download per month, 0.03(6) CDs per month.

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We estimate that the effect of one additional P2P download per month is to increase music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year (based on estimates obtained from the negative binomial model in Table 4.3). Furthermore, we find indirect evidence of the 'market creation' effect of P2P file-sharing in the positive coefficient on the variable 'Not available elsewhere' (Table 4.3).

impar · 7th Nov 2007, 19:27

Greetings!

"The authors used different time measures."

Do you prefer to receive a 100€ monthly raise in your paycheck or a 1000€ yearly bonus?

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AcidJiles Multimodder Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 152	how suprising (sarcasm) oh wait this is what those who know the truth about p2p etc have been saying for years

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Drexial Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 297	i can find data from the first three years of napsters existence that proved this. this is no new study. its not only because you can preview, it also exposes you to music you never would have heard before. i didn't even read the article this is such an old point.

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