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Tim S · 21st Nov 2007, 12:02

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/11...d_up_by_2010/1

A new study conducted by US analyst firm Nemertes Research is predicting that we will clog up the Internet tubes by the year 2010. Oh noes!

quack · 21st Nov 2007, 12:07

It is a scaremongering study, paid for BY the telcos.

They want to spread as much FUD (Fear Uncertainty & Doubt) as possible so Net Neutrality will become a thing of the past, and therefore save themselves billions in improving their infrastructure which they should be doing anyway.

mmorgue · 21st Nov 2007, 12:28

Hmm. Interesting. I wonder what procedures we in the UK will have put in place. Perhaps a "Net-congestion" charge for which webbernet tube your webbernet-packets travel down.

I suppose if you register your data as "black cab material" you'd go congestion charge free...

/sigh

You'd think the US and the UK wouldn't have any trouble keeping up with the likes of Japan or Sweden where fiber optics are quite normal

Jamie · 21st Nov 2007, 12:29

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Originally Posted by quack

It is a scaremongering study, paid for BY the telcos.

They want to spread as much FUD (Fear Uncertainty & Doubt) as possible so Net Neutrality will become a thing of the past, and therefore save themselves billions in improving their infrastructure which they should be doing anyway.

Agreed, first thing I thought when I saw this on the BBC yesterday.

Lazarus Dark · 21st Nov 2007, 12:36

I can believe it.
Think about it. No one twenty years ago could have seen the rapidly increasing demand for computing power. The more calculations per second I can do, the more I find I need. A new, faster cpu? Now I can do things I never thought about... but wait, I just thought of something I still can't do... multicore? Thanks, now I can do that too, but wait... if I had eighty cores, I could do even more!
The same with internet access- wow, this bbs and aol is great... but dl'ing a song takes ages. 56k modem? Now I can dl that song, but what about video? Cable modem, great... but what about HD?
Give me a gigabit line and I bet I could find a way to max it out and still need more. Heck, I already know how I'd use it.

stephen2002 · 21st Nov 2007, 16:16

That the internet will end up clogged seems to be a rather silly notion. The internet keeps expanding capacity. If more capacity is called for then more capacity will be built. Bandwidth and applications of the bandwidth generally go hand in hand. Perhaps if more and more applications appeared with a stagnation of capacity buildout then sure, it would clog up pretty quick, but that is just not the case. My two cents at least.

Tyinsar · 21st Nov 2007, 16:34

Yesterday wasn't the last day of March so...????
This reminded me of a Dilbert cartoon - best link a quick search gave: http://www.cs.vu.nl/~frankh/dilbert.html scroll down or search page for "The Internet is full".

kenco_uk · 21st Nov 2007, 17:10

Traffic shaping is nothing new for the UK.

I think the main fear is IPv4 running out of available addresses and I presume the costs involved are for changing equipment to IPv6.

julianmartin · 21st Nov 2007, 18:14

I concur kenco, traffic shaping is old news.

Plusnet have been throttling all P2P downloads for over 18 months now, as do Tiscali and i'm sure plenty of others as well.

DXR_13KE · 21st Nov 2007, 19:25

i wonder if fiber is that expensive that companies don't want to change....

Woodstock · 21st Nov 2007, 19:34

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ISPs around the world are already investing millions and even billions of dollars into their networks in order to keep up with the ever increasing demand for access speed.

you hear that telecom, nz is part of this world isnt it?

drakanious · 21st Nov 2007, 20:24

Seems almost Malthusian in its logic.

"Bandwidth increases linearly while population increases exponentially."

Give me a break--as long as telecoms focus on increasing bandwidth, and as long as the government continues to regulate monopolies (or veritable monopolies in the case of many US towns where Cable and DSL are the only 2 viable choices for broadband), the situation will resolve itself--if demand outstrips supply at the rate this article is implying (especially if nothing is done to increasing demand when companies *know* that demand is increasing at a given rate), then the companies should be fined for unfair business practices--don't let any rep tell you otherwise--they have tons of money (it's called *profit*).

*anger*

Cptn-Inafinus · 21st Nov 2007, 23:08

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Originally Posted by julianmartin

Plusnet have been throttling all P2P downloads for over 18 months now, as do Tiscali and i'm sure plenty of others as well.

I havent had any troubles with that at all so far. It might be because I live rural, but i on average get speeds on downloads and P2P software of between 75kbps (minimum!) and 250kbps! Thats dam good, considering how far away i am from the nearest exchange.

I have downloaded over 3gb's in a whole day and never had it throttled.

evox · 21st Nov 2007, 23:25

Kill MySpace = Problem Solved

Henk · 22nd Nov 2007, 07:59

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Originally Posted by evox

Kill YouTube = Problem Solved

Fixed.

Tyinsar · 22nd Nov 2007, 17:32

& FaceBook & ...

DougEdey · 22nd Nov 2007, 21:21

Give us IPv6 then the telcos will be happy as they can charge per PC and we don't have to fiddle with atrocious routers.

Also, if JANET can give sustainable 50Gbit/s, why can't BT?

The_Beast · 23rd Nov 2007, 00:49

If there wasn't porn on the internet there would be no problem at all

then again that is the reason the internet was created, porn

Tyinsar · 23rd Nov 2007, 04:26

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Originally Posted by The_Beast

If there wasn't porn on the internet there would be no problem at all

then again that is the reason the internet was created, porn

The last part is not true but I'm sure that removing all the porn would have a huge impact.

steveo_mcg · 23rd Nov 2007, 12:12

Porn, however, has paid for a large part of the web at least.

21st Nov 2007, 12:02	#1
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21st Nov 2007, 12:07	#2
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Lazarus Dark Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Memphis, TN Posts: 292	I can believe it. Think about it. No one twenty years ago could have seen the rapidly increasing demand for computing power. The more calculations per second I can do, the more I find I need. A new, faster cpu? Now I can do things I never thought about... but wait, I just thought of something I still can't do... multicore? Thanks, now I can do that too, but wait... if I had eighty cores, I could do even more! The same with internet access- wow, this bbs and aol is great... but dl'ing a song takes ages. 56k modem? Now I can dl that song, but what about video? Cable modem, great... but what about HD? Give me a gigabit line and I bet I could find a way to max it out and still need more. Heck, I already know how I'd use it. __________________ My gun kata is greater than your kung fu.

21st Nov 2007, 16:34	#7
Tyinsar 6 screens / 1 card Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: AB.CA Posts: 2,005	Yesterday wasn't the last day of March so...???? This reminded me of a Dilbert cartoon - best link a quick search gave: http://www.cs.vu.nl/~frankh/dilbert.html scroll down or search page for "The Internet is full". __________________ It's not about how life treats you, it's about how you treat life.

21st Nov 2007, 17:10	#8
kenco_uk I feel your presents. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bourne, Lincolnshire, UK Posts: 6,316	Traffic shaping is nothing new for the UK. I think the main fear is IPv4 running out of available addresses and I presume the costs involved are for changing equipment to IPv6. __________________ MSI X58M - i7 920 4Ghz - 6GB Corsair - GTX260 648/2520 ::: Vote for bit-tech T - theevilelephant - "it sounded like bouncing around on a pogo stick, screaming in chinese while occasionally throwing a cat at a door."

21st Nov 2007, 12:28	#3
mmorgue Supermodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mos Eisley, in the bar... Posts: 378	Hmm. Interesting. I wonder what procedures we in the UK will have put in place. Perhaps a "Net-congestion" charge for which webbernet tube your webbernet-packets travel down. I suppose if you register your data as "black cab material" you'd go congestion charge free... /sigh You'd think the US and the UK wouldn't have any trouble keeping up with the likes of Japan or Sweden where fiber optics are quite normal

21st Nov 2007, 16:16	#6
stephen2002 Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 182	That the internet will end up clogged seems to be a rather silly notion. The internet keeps expanding capacity. If more capacity is called for then more capacity will be built. Bandwidth and applications of the bandwidth generally go hand in hand. Perhaps if more and more applications appeared with a stagnation of capacity buildout then sure, it would clog up pretty quick, but that is just not the case. My two cents at least.

21st Nov 2007, 18:14	#9
julianmartin It's good to see you John Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Guildford Massive Posts: 1,233	I concur kenco, traffic shaping is old news. Plusnet have been throttling all P2P downloads for over 18 months now, as do Tiscali and i'm sure plenty of others as well. __________________ work play

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21st Nov 2007, 20:24	#12
drakanious Minimodder Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 21	Seems almost Malthusian in its logic. "Bandwidth increases linearly while population increases exponentially." Give me a break--as long as telecoms focus on increasing bandwidth, and as long as the government continues to regulate monopolies (or veritable monopolies in the case of many US towns where Cable and DSL are the only 2 viable choices for broadband), the situation will resolve itself--if demand outstrips supply at the rate this article is implying (especially if nothing is done to increasing demand when companies know that demand is increasing at a given rate), then the companies should be fined for unfair business practices--don't let any rep tell you otherwise--they have tons of money (it's called profit). anger

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22nd Nov 2007, 21:21	#17
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