GameSpot insider speaks of 'mass resignations' - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 5th Dec 2007, 09:50

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/12...esignations_/1

A GameSpot insider has revealed that advertising pressure may not have been the real reason Gerstmann was fired.

cjoyce1980 · 5th Dec 2007, 10:04

GameSpot is going down quicker than a vegas ho!!!

RotoSequence · 5th Dec 2007, 10:12

Things are never as black and white as they first sound, are they. Oh well - I never used Gamespot or C|net anyway

Woodstock · 5th Dec 2007, 10:19

sounds like a dead site to me, stupid management (thou i never used them i just hate management that screw it up (not that the fault was solely management))

adamc · 5th Dec 2007, 10:43

I've never really agreed with gamespot's reviews anyway... however IGN is now becoming less credible also. Bit-tech better start reviewing more Wii games :P

sub routine · 5th Dec 2007, 11:00

An innevitable trait to the multitude of cash`in games being produced with real low quality gameplay. Compiled with games reviewers love of cocaine and money and yer ma`s inability to choose a good game unless it has "This is a good game" written on the back of the box.
Ego`s and sense will clash with the might of the developers. It`s just a pity it results in a lose lose situation for the gamer.

Angleus · 5th Dec 2007, 12:02

meh, the whole things just kinda depressing

Mentai · 5th Dec 2007, 12:13

What the insider says is quite feasible, however it was a colossal mistake to fire him coinciding with the ads for Kane and Lynch all over the site, and take down the video review without talking about it properly. It's like management made the worst decisions possible for about a week... and now imo the company is doomed. Kinda crazy, no one would know about this if it was back when there were just gaming magazines rather than websites.

CanadianViking · 5th Dec 2007, 12:40

Stupid. Just stupid.

Although Gamestop had too many fanboys, so I'm glad they're gone in a way. But when their nest goes down, they might try to migrate.

Woodstock · 5th Dec 2007, 12:52

fear not, for it has been foretold that the ban hammer may fall once more

Bauul · 5th Dec 2007, 13:05

"All game reviewers corrupt, useless prima donnas or are some of us OK?"

Come now Joe, you've been a prima donna ever since you completed The Lost Frog on the old BBC back at primary school faster than anyone else.

Gunblade · 5th Dec 2007, 13:36

I have been going to Gamespot for over nine years. Four of that I have been a subscriber it was cheap, and worth it over the next best thing and probably better which is fileplanet's subscription service though their price tag is albeit much heftier.

Jeff Gerstmann was a great reviewer, comedic, and rose to a "celebrity" status for a reason. He was just plain good at what he did. Really pushing newer content for the site like burning questions, podcasts etc. all reviewers on Gamespot have some what of a following. Greg Kasavin was my favorite then following him was Jeff and Jason Ocampo blah blah, anyways. The point here is that every reviewer matters to the community. What happened has been kept under wraps and is full of speculation by everyone on the net. But Jeff did not even get a resounding last words goodbye, thats the main reason why I am up and arms about the matter. My favorite article that really means a lot to me about it all can be found here, and says more than I ever could:

http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/12/01...tic-integrity/

I am also just commenting to say that not only is there the threat of mass resignations C|Net, it is surprising to me that no one has looked at the community portion of the story yet. Want to talk about mass resignation? I have unsubscribed as a paying member of Gamespot. So have a baffling amount of others. The most disgusting part is the forums moderators who do not allow the discussion of Jeff or Gamespot ethic etc. topics in the forums. They lock anything and everything having a hint to do with this whole fiasco. Even in the paying member forums!

The age of Gamespot being my main source for anything gaming especially reviews has come to a grinding halt. Though over the years I only used it for reviews and downloads. For other sites do the news of the gaming industry much better. And over the years I have become a complete PC gamer. So the words of PC Gamer Magazine, and sites like Bit-Tech mattered more to me. It's sad though to depart with something I went to religiously everyday since I was 10! It was part of my child hood Gamespot lol.

CardJoe · 5th Dec 2007, 14:28

http://www.kfj.f2s.com/index.php/200...-logical-thing

Sums up my point of view exactly, to be honest.

wolff000 · 5th Dec 2007, 14:48

I never really like gamespot in the first place. since they are owned by a big company that can afford to have a losing site for a little while I doubt they will fold. i think this will eventually blow over people will forget and go back. As far as game reviewers go, I'd say most are corrupt and can't be trusted all that much. There are exceptions and I think Bit-tech is one of them. Penny arcade had a great article on this a couple of days ago. They said that most most reviewers are reviewing the game because they have too not for the sheer enjoyment of playing. Trying to beat a game on a deadline so you can give a review doesn't seem like a good formula. It would get dull grinding away levels just to get to the end. It seems you would miss the fun part with that kind of approach and most games would get repetitive and boring.

Redbeaver · 5th Dec 2007, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanadianViking

Although Gamestop had too many fanboys,

u serious?

lol oh god...poor souls.... IMHPO (P=personal), gamespot reviews are biased junk... oooh that was harsh. sorry, cant get any more gentle than that. C|net is ok tho... i used the sites a few times, download some stuff, hardware reviews are "ok"... but Gamespot? come on....

go read bit-tech instead

CardJoe · 5th Dec 2007, 15:01

Every game reviewer I know does it for the joy, not under pressure etc. For all but the biggest games, deadlines are fairly lax and, to be honest, Penny Arcade doesn't understand it all that well. They're fine to amuse yourself with but, when it comes down to it, they too are just guys who play a lot of games for free. If you'd seen the type of swag, freebies, incentives and phoney friendships that those guys surround themselves with then you'd think THEY were the corrupt ones. No game reviewer I knew ever got free DS lites etc.

Hell, the most impressive thing I got was a bunch of free T-shirts and, to remain unbiased, I nearly always give those away. Ironically, the only thing that I kept for myself was a Kane and Lynch branded satchel, which broke the week I got it and which I only use because my other bag has the words "THATS THE SECOND BIGGEST MONKEY HEAD I'VE EVER SEEN" written on it in nail varnish.

ssj12 · 5th Dec 2007, 15:06

let gamespot rot, no lose in the internet game review market. IGN cheesecake!

steveo_mcg · 5th Dec 2007, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by CardJoe

http://www.kfj.f2s.com/index.php/200...-logical-thing

Sums up my point of view exactly, to be honest.

I find that very hard to read, i don't know why he's insisted on having the breaks with the K&L images. I don't know if he's trying to be ironic but it really doesn't help his point.

Angleus · 5th Dec 2007, 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by CardJoe

Every game reviewer I know does it for the joy, not under pressure etc. For all but the biggest games, deadlines are fairly lax and, to be honest, Penny Arcade doesn't understand it all that well. They're fine to amuse yourself with but, when it comes down to it, they too are just guys who play a lot of games for free. If you'd seen the type of swag, freebies, incentives and phoney friendships that those guys surround themselves with then you'd think THEY were the corrupt ones. No game reviewer I knew ever got free DS lites etc.

Hell, the most impressive thing I got was a bunch of free T-shirts and, to remain unbiased, I nearly always give those away. Ironically, the only thing that I kept for myself was a Kane and Lynch branded satchel, which broke the week I got it and which I only use because my other bag has the words "THATS THE SECOND BIGGEST MONKEY HEAD I'VE EVER SEEN" written on it in nail varnish.

When this whole thing kicked off, I don't think anyone was accusing reviewers of being corrupt, it was the issue that the story was presented as a reviewer being sacked for giving a game a low score, and this is of course not something that we as a community want to see happening.
It is beginning to look now as though the whole thing is a lot more complicated than that and may in fact have nothing to do with the Kane and Lynch review at all, which to be honest, is what I want to hear.

<A88> · 5th Dec 2007, 16:17

I'm kinda fed up with reading about it tbh.

<A88>

5th Dec 2007, 09:50	#1
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,988	GameSpot insider speaks of 'mass resignations' http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/12...esignations_/1 A GameSpot insider has revealed that advertising pressure may not have been the real reason Gerstmann was fired. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

5th Dec 2007, 10:12	#3
RotoSequence Lazy Lurker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 'States Posts: 4,529	Things are never as black and white as they first sound, are they. Oh well - I never used Gamespot or C\|net anyway __________________ Technology Schmecnology

5th Dec 2007, 10:19	#4
Woodstock So Say We All Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,657	sounds like a dead site to me, stupid management (thou i never used them i just hate management that screw it up (not that the fault was solely management)) __________________ Hell hath no fury like a hippo with a machine gun.

5th Dec 2007, 12:02	#7
Angleus Hypermodder Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Soton / S.E. LDN Posts: 629	meh, the whole things just kinda depressing __________________ C2D E6550 / ASUS P5KC / 4gb Corsair XMS2 6400 / XFX 8800 GTX / 2 x WD 160GB SATA 1 x 250GB WD SATA / X-Fi Xtreme I need a Mac! PM me please if you have one available

5th Dec 2007, 12:52	#10
Woodstock So Say We All Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,657	fear not, for it has been foretold that the ban hammer may fall once more __________________ Hell hath no fury like a hippo with a machine gun.

5th Dec 2007, 10:04	#2
cjoyce1980 Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 344	GameSpot is going down quicker than a vegas ho!!!

5th Dec 2007, 10:43	#5
adamc Modder Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 62	I've never really agreed with gamespot's reviews anyway... however IGN is now becoming less credible also. Bit-tech better start reviewing more Wii games :P

5th Dec 2007, 11:00	#6
sub routine Archie Gemel Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 150	An innevitable trait to the multitude of cash`in games being produced with real low quality gameplay. Compiled with games reviewers love of cocaine and money and yer ma`s inability to choose a good game unless it has "This is a good game" written on the back of the box. Ego`s and sense will clash with the might of the developers. It`s just a pity it results in a lose lose situation for the gamer.

5th Dec 2007, 12:13	#8
Mentai Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 493	What the insider says is quite feasible, however it was a colossal mistake to fire him coinciding with the ads for Kane and Lynch all over the site, and take down the video review without talking about it properly. It's like management made the worst decisions possible for about a week... and now imo the company is doomed. Kinda crazy, no one would know about this if it was back when there were just gaming magazines rather than websites.

5th Dec 2007, 12:40	#9
CanadianViking Beast from the North Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 201	Stupid. Just stupid. Although Gamestop had too many fanboys, so I'm glad they're gone in a way. But when their nest goes down, they might try to migrate.

5th Dec 2007, 13:05	#11
Bauul Sir Bongaminge Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Godalming, near Guildford Posts: 1,553	"All game reviewers corrupt, useless prima donnas or are some of us OK?" Come now Joe, you've been a prima donna ever since you completed The Lost Frog on the old BBC back at primary school faster than anyone else. __________________ Pentium 4 CPU 3.4 Ghz \| 1Gb + 2x512Mb Corsair DDR2 667 Mhz Sapphire Radeon HD 4770 512Mb\| WD Raptor 36Gb, Seagate 300Gb \| Asus P5LD2 SE Ibanez RG 470 Japanese Edition \| 1991 Japanese Lo-TRS Tremolo \| V7 S1 Custom V8 HSH Pickups

5th Dec 2007, 13:36	#12
Gunblade The Frugal Chef Join Date: May 2005 Location: Woodinville, WA Posts: 85	I have been going to Gamespot for over nine years. Four of that I have been a subscriber it was cheap, and worth it over the next best thing and probably better which is fileplanet's subscription service though their price tag is albeit much heftier. Jeff Gerstmann was a great reviewer, comedic, and rose to a "celebrity" status for a reason. He was just plain good at what he did. Really pushing newer content for the site like burning questions, podcasts etc. all reviewers on Gamespot have some what of a following. Greg Kasavin was my favorite then following him was Jeff and Jason Ocampo blah blah, anyways. The point here is that every reviewer matters to the community. What happened has been kept under wraps and is full of speculation by everyone on the net. But Jeff did not even get a resounding last words goodbye, thats the main reason why I am up and arms about the matter. My favorite article that really means a lot to me about it all can be found here, and says more than I ever could: http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/12/01...tic-integrity/ I am also just commenting to say that not only is there the threat of mass resignations C\|Net, it is surprising to me that no one has looked at the community portion of the story yet. Want to talk about mass resignation? I have unsubscribed as a paying member of Gamespot. So have a baffling amount of others. The most disgusting part is the forums moderators who do not allow the discussion of Jeff or Gamespot ethic etc. topics in the forums. They lock anything and everything having a hint to do with this whole fiasco. Even in the paying member forums! The age of Gamespot being my main source for anything gaming especially reviews has come to a grinding halt. Though over the years I only used it for reviews and downloads. For other sites do the news of the gaming industry much better. And over the years I have become a complete PC gamer. So the words of PC Gamer Magazine, and sites like Bit-Tech mattered more to me. It's sad though to depart with something I went to religiously everyday since I was 10! It was part of my child hood Gamespot lol.

5th Dec 2007, 14:28	#13
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,988	http://www.kfj.f2s.com/index.php/200...-logical-thing Sums up my point of view exactly, to be honest. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

5th Dec 2007, 14:48	#14
wolff000 I am here to steal your secrets. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Never-never Land Posts: 196	I never really like gamespot in the first place. since they are owned by a big company that can afford to have a losing site for a little while I doubt they will fold. i think this will eventually blow over people will forget and go back. As far as game reviewers go, I'd say most are corrupt and can't be trusted all that much. There are exceptions and I think Bit-tech is one of them. Penny arcade had a great article on this a couple of days ago. They said that most most reviewers are reviewing the game because they have too not for the sheer enjoyment of playing. Trying to beat a game on a deadline so you can give a review doesn't seem like a good formula. It would get dull grinding away levels just to get to the end. It seems you would miss the fun part with that kind of approach and most games would get repetitive and boring. __________________ The gospel accordong to Myamoto, Chatper three, verse six..."And it is written that the gaming of man will die, and rest silent for two years. But on the eighty-fifth year of the twentieth century, it shall rise again. And its triumphant return shall be heralded by two great plumbers and thou will know gaming has been born again."

5th Dec 2007, 15:01	#16
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,988	Every game reviewer I know does it for the joy, not under pressure etc. For all but the biggest games, deadlines are fairly lax and, to be honest, Penny Arcade doesn't understand it all that well. They're fine to amuse yourself with but, when it comes down to it, they too are just guys who play a lot of games for free. If you'd seen the type of swag, freebies, incentives and phoney friendships that those guys surround themselves with then you'd think THEY were the corrupt ones. No game reviewer I knew ever got free DS lites etc. Hell, the most impressive thing I got was a bunch of free T-shirts and, to remain unbiased, I nearly always give those away. Ironically, the only thing that I kept for myself was a Kane and Lynch branded satchel, which broke the week I got it and which I only use because my other bag has the words "THATS THE SECOND BIGGEST MONKEY HEAD I'VE EVER SEEN" written on it in nail varnish. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

5th Dec 2007, 15:06	#17
ssj12 VGChartz PR Manager Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 232	let gamespot rot, no lose in the internet game review market. IGN cheesecake! __________________ http://thebladeclan.com

5th Dec 2007, 16:17	#20
<A88> Trust the Computer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 4,797	I'm kinda fed up with reading about it tbh. <A88>