PlusNet sympathetic to file sharers - bit-tech.net Forums

Da Dego · 7th Dec 2007, 16:12

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/12...file_sharers/1

As an ISP, Plus.net finds itself as the middleman in arguments between law enforcement and accused file sharers. In an unusually down to earth blog post, a Plus.net employee lays it straight.

Amon · 7th Dec 2007, 16:20

These are cool dudes for and ISP; very honest. I respect that...

BIG UP YO'SELF. RESPEKT.

xrob · 7th Dec 2007, 17:39

its a scam to get more subscribers, plusnet have been in a lot of trouble in the past because of poor service, maybe the bt take over actually worked. enta for the win.

centy · 7th Dec 2007, 18:54

PlusNet have always been honest.
They where one of the first to announce their use of traffic shaping hardware, the first to lay out in clear terms how much you can download before you are restricted and the first to say exactly which protocols will be restricted and by how much and when. lol.

Basically they tell it as it is. They also have a wealthof info about ADSL and common topics on there site, aswell as a great community for both current and ex member. ( hello plusnetters )
They are still one of the best ISPs in my view.
Thankfully be*unlimited arrived in my exchange to provide unlimited use ADSL2+ up to 24Mb Up 2.5Mb down.

You can check to see if be*unlimited has arrived at your exchange yet on this page - https://www.bethere.co.uk/

Tell em centy sent you and we both get a free month.

julianmartin · 7th Dec 2007, 20:11

I can certainly say i would go plusnet over entanet every time. entanet are bloody appalling...all they want to do is fob off every problem to BT. At least plusnet tell you the truth as centy said. While they maybe a bit expensive at least they tell you exactly what they are doing etc etc. Tiscali etc are cheap for a reason!

Cupboard · 7th Dec 2007, 20:21

I love it how we get a company with a cool name fighting against copyright infringement, where the states have a couple of acronyms.

I wonder when people will realise that having different release dates for TV shows around the world just fuels piracy. I am sure that the number of people downloading Lost/Heroes etc would fall to near zero in the UK if they came out at the same time they did in the US.

Lawsuits like this must be a real waste of resources for the ISP too - having to spend time looking at records of people that have been file sharing can't be that quick.

Lazarus Dark · 7th Dec 2007, 22:49

See, "renting" bandwidth from an ISP is like renting an apartment.
If my landlord has strong reason to believe I have killed someone (the internet equivilent of say, child pron), then they should report it.
But if they think I just smoke a joint once in a while (the equivilent of dl'ing an mp3), they should stay the hell out of my buisiness.
I think more ISP's should take this stance.

Unfortunately, in the US, the DMCA requires ISP's to do takedowns and such without even involving authorities, just on the word of anyone who requests it. It's like my landlord letting the cable guy into my place just on suspicion of me stealing cable.

Mosey · 8th Dec 2007, 08:30

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Originally Posted by Cupboard

Lawsuits like this must be a real waste of resources for the ISP too - having to spend time looking at records of people that have been file sharing can't be that quick.

Yeah and the High Court's time for issuing the RIPA warrant for surveillance of your information. It's actually quite scary when you look what the RIPA makes provision for: http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/ripa/about-ripa/ and with our government's track record of securely holding onto our data - well i don't really like to think of what sort of information can get into the wrong hands here.

Also, being forced to pay Codemasters money must be a right kick in the teeth. Honestly one of the worst companies about; thinking about it, it doesn't really surprise me that they are bullying people into giving them money - i can't think of anyone who would actually want to pay for the crap they produce.

DXR_13KE · 8th Dec 2007, 17:25

i really would like to see what would happen to ISPs and the MAFIAA if all types of piracy were to disappear.....

Wicz · 8th Dec 2007, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Amon

These are cool dudes for and ISP; very honest. I respect that...

BIG UP YO'SELF. RESPEKT.

Unfortunately Pusnet ( not a spelling mistake ) are quite possibly the most underhand ISP in the UK with terrible service quality to match. Dave Tomlinson is hoping to attract some of their recently lost customers back obviously.

I wish him the worst of luck

Wicz · 8th Dec 2007, 18:27

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Originally Posted by julianmartin

I can certainly say i would go plusnet over entanet every time. entanet are bloody appalling...all they want to do is fob off every problem to BT. At least plusnet tell you the truth as centy said. While they maybe a bit expensive at least they tell you exactly what they are doing etc etc. Tiscali etc are cheap for a reason!

Strange, I have been with Entanet for the last 2 years along with a lot of friends and our service has been excellent. Pusnet are a bunch of cowboys

As far as truth goes, Entanet are the most open ISP in the UK as their NOC clearly indicates, pusnet don't know what honesty is.

rhuitron · 9th Dec 2007, 09:09

These guys are Cool.

The others Are not Bullys with a court order. But ****ing Faggots, With a court order.

And all the other double AA (for anal) fags out there.

xrob · 9th Dec 2007, 15:46

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At least plusnet tell you the truth as centy said. While they maybe a bit expensive at least they tell you exactly what they are doing etc etc.

Expensive? what the hell are you on about mate? they have the some of cheapest packages i've seen, you both really need to get a clue.

Quote:

Dave Tomlinson is hoping to attract some of their recently lost customers back obviously.

I wish him the worst of luck

ahah im with you, do you remember all that business of there mailserver getting hacked, and they didnt tell anyone about it for like a month, plusnet are so bad its unreal.
well i guess its working for them though as these idiots seem to be lapping it up, oh well.

cjmUK · 10th Dec 2007, 16:52

Fair-play to Dave for such a considered stance.

But I'm afraid PlusNet are too discredited to gain any kudos from this.

7th Dec 2007, 16:12	#1
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	PlusNet sympathetic to file sharers http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/12...file_sharers/1 As an ISP, Plus.net finds itself as the middleman in arguments between law enforcement and accused file sharers. In an unusually down to earth blog post, a Plus.net employee lays it straight. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

7th Dec 2007, 16:20	#2
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7th Dec 2007, 17:39	#3
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7th Dec 2007, 20:11	#5
julianmartin It's good to see you John Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Guildford Massive Posts: 1,230	I can certainly say i would go plusnet over entanet every time. entanet are bloody appalling...all they want to do is fob off every problem to BT. At least plusnet tell you the truth as centy said. While they maybe a bit expensive at least they tell you exactly what they are doing etc etc. Tiscali etc are cheap for a reason! __________________ work play

7th Dec 2007, 20:21	#6
Cupboard I'm not a modder. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bury St Edmunds/Durham Uni Posts: 1,844	I love it how we get a company with a cool name fighting against copyright infringement, where the states have a couple of acronyms. I wonder when people will realise that having different release dates for TV shows around the world just fuels piracy. I am sure that the number of people downloading Lost/Heroes etc would fall to near zero in the UK if they came out at the same time they did in the US. Lawsuits like this must be a real waste of resources for the ISP too - having to spend time looking at records of people that have been file sharing can't be that quick. __________________ i7 920, 8800GTS 512, 6GB Corsair all in an Intel DX58SO; 3*320GB RAID5; CM Stacker Samsung Q45.

7th Dec 2007, 18:54	#4
centy DFI Nutter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Liverpool, England Posts: 29	PlusNet have always been honest. They where one of the first to announce their use of traffic shaping hardware, the first to lay out in clear terms how much you can download before you are restricted and the first to say exactly which protocols will be restricted and by how much and when. lol. Basically they tell it as it is. They also have a wealthof info about ADSL and common topics on there site, aswell as a great community for both current and ex member. ( hello plusnetters ) They are still one of the best ISPs in my view. Thankfully beunlimited arrived in my exchange to provide unlimited use ADSL2+ up to 24Mb Up 2.5Mb down. You can check to see if beunlimited has arrived at your exchange yet on this page - https://www.bethere.co.uk/ Tell em centy sent you and we both get a free month.

7th Dec 2007, 22:49	#7
Lazarus Dark Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Memphis, TN Posts: 292	See, "renting" bandwidth from an ISP is like renting an apartment. If my landlord has strong reason to believe I have killed someone (the internet equivilent of say, child pron), then they should report it. But if they think I just smoke a joint once in a while (the equivilent of dl'ing an mp3), they should stay the hell out of my buisiness. I think more ISP's should take this stance. Unfortunately, in the US, the DMCA requires ISP's to do takedowns and such without even involving authorities, just on the word of anyone who requests it. It's like my landlord letting the cable guy into my place just on suspicion of me stealing cable. __________________ My gun kata is greater than your kung fu.

8th Dec 2007, 17:25	#9
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,469	i really would like to see what would happen to ISPs and the MAFIAA if all types of piracy were to disappear..... __________________ *Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK!

9th Dec 2007, 09:09	#12
rhuitron Bump? What Bump? Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Northern California, Usa Posts: 122	These guys are Cool. The others Are not Bullys with a court order. But ****ing Faggots, With a court order. And all the other double AA (for anal) fags out there. __________________ You use an Apple?? Go play in traffic.

10th Dec 2007, 16:52	#14
cjmUK Old git. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,938	Fair-play to Dave for such a considered stance. But I'm afraid PlusNet are too discredited to gain any kudos from this. __________________ P180B, Q6600 [with Thermalright HR-01+/Noctua NF-P12], 8GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500, EVGA GTX 260 SSC, 3.75TB worth of Samsung F1s, running on Windows 7 RC