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Tim S · 10th Dec 2007, 08:19

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/12...paid_for_ati/1

AMD has reached its lowest share price for more than four years last week and, as a result, its market value dropped to US$5 billion - that's less than it paid for ATI.

DarkLord7854 · 10th Dec 2007, 08:30

Heh.

oasked · 10th Dec 2007, 08:40

Oh dear. I do hope they can make a recovery. If they go down the pan the IT industry is screwed - Intel can charge whatever it likes.

BlackMage23 · 10th Dec 2007, 09:00

Intel can't let AMD go down because then it has a monopoly on the market, which could be a bigger headache for them then having AMD around.
Goverment - Monopoly = Bad

Breach · 10th Dec 2007, 09:08

I dunno, seems like AMD has been in Intel's shadow since AMD's founding. But in the CPU market it has struck at the core of Intel with better processors until Core 2 came out.

Granted, the numbers seem wide. But remember that AMD just makes CPUs and now GPUs. Intel powers much, much more than just computers, where AMDs market is much more narrow. Intel makes much much more than just CPUs. AMD does not.

Not trying to be a fanboy by any means. I have used AMD for a long time now. They have until now given competitive power against higher priced Intel offerings. The merger cost them a lot, in the end with 1/2 the GPU market in their hands they could in time be quite a force. In the end I go with whatever is best at the time. Though I do like choice, I hope AMD doesn't throw in the towel.

DougEdey · 10th Dec 2007, 09:14

AMD are investing too much in new untried technologies and getting very poor returns in terms of performance.

WilHarris · 10th Dec 2007, 09:46

AMD: now worth 1/3rd of Facebook (roughly founder Mark Zuckerberg's entire share). Awesome.

Angleus · 10th Dec 2007, 11:03

Hopefully its just a cyclical thing, and maybe one day they will release a new CPU thats at least AS good as C2D

DXR_13KE · 10th Dec 2007, 11:34

if they sink we are screwed.....

Boogle · 10th Dec 2007, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Breach

I dunno, seems like AMD has been in Intel's shadow since AMD's founding. But in the CPU market it has struck at the core of Intel with better processors until Core 2 came out.

Not neccesarily, until the first Athlon, AMD released almost direct clones of the Intel CPUs, often cheaper, but also slower. Arguably it wasn't until the Athlon 64 that AMD had a decisive advantage over Intel.

In my opinion, Intel won't let AMD sink. Intel haven't exactly been persuing the budget area agressively, leaving AMD a valuable niche, the very same niche AMD have always traditionaly filled. Intel have been targeting the top-end though, making it clear they are the market leader. AMD may not become super-powerful again, but they will certainly still be around.

NV also haven't aggressively targetted ATI, the 8800 hasn't exactly had much of a follow-up since it's launch. No company wants to lose the other, simply because then they would become a monopoly and that's far worse than having a competitor because then the government steps in and destroys your company.

mutznutz · 10th Dec 2007, 15:28

They should have a scheme similar to the one laptop per child .. buy one AMD processor, give another away ... just to help them out

I'd hate to see AMD go ... I was hoping phenom would be good enough to get them out of the funk they're in ... ahh well

mrplow · 10th Dec 2007, 15:37

Ummm... just because their share price is crap doesn't [yet] mean the company is doomed, calm down people.

Ghys · 10th Dec 2007, 16:48

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Originally Posted by WilHarris

AMD: now worth 1/3rd of Facebook (roughly founder Mark Zuckerberg's entire share). Awesome.

whattttttttttt that is just insane ... (!)

julianmartin · 10th Dec 2007, 17:49

time to invest ladies......

Otis1337 · 10th Dec 2007, 18:27

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE

if they sink we are screwed.....

yep we are........ IBM / VIO CPU F-T-W!!!! and SIS graphics all the way!!!!!!

ryanjleng · 10th Dec 2007, 19:23

Not sure about you guys,

but i am waiting for a further dip in AMD shares after quad-core starts appearing in the middle product range... before purchasing a "chunk" of AMD shares. AMD gross margins for key products will be hit pretty hard in the next 12 months.

Best time to buy is coming up i think.

What is interesting is not the current or soon-to-be available CPUs, but something else in 12-18 months time in the area of DDR3.

completemadness · 10th Dec 2007, 20:33

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Originally Posted by WilHarris

AMD: now worth 1/3rd of Facebook (roughly founder Mark Zuckerberg's entire share). Awesome.

Ouch ....

Rebourne · 10th Dec 2007, 21:00

Well if you want to keep them around, buy their products.

Otis1337 · 10th Dec 2007, 23:50

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Originally Posted by Rebourne

Well if you want to keep them around, buy their products.

but their products suck.............

kempez · 10th Dec 2007, 23:54

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Originally Posted by Otis1337

but their products suck.............

They do not suck. OK they're not up to Intel performance (yet he says with his fingers crossed), but they don't "suck" by a long margin.

AMD die = very bad for the industry

10th Dec 2007, 08:19	#1
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Breach Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: WA Posts: 354	I dunno, seems like AMD has been in Intel's shadow since AMD's founding. But in the CPU market it has struck at the core of Intel with better processors until Core 2 came out. Granted, the numbers seem wide. But remember that AMD just makes CPUs and now GPUs. Intel powers much, much more than just computers, where AMDs market is much more narrow. Intel makes much much more than just CPUs. AMD does not. Not trying to be a fanboy by any means. I have used AMD for a long time now. They have until now given competitive power against higher priced Intel offerings. The merger cost them a lot, in the end with 1/2 the GPU market in their hands they could in time be quite a force. In the end I go with whatever is best at the time. Though I do like choice, I hope AMD doesn't throw in the towel. __________________ Project :: SSC (Super Sport Computer)

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10th Dec 2007, 19:23	#16
ryanjleng ... Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 323	Not sure about you guys, but i am waiting for a further dip in AMD shares after quad-core starts appearing in the middle product range... before purchasing a "chunk" of AMD shares. AMD gross margins for key products will be hit pretty hard in the next 12 months. Best time to buy is coming up i think. What is interesting is not the current or soon-to-be available CPUs, but something else in 12-18 months time in the area of DDR3.

10th Dec 2007, 21:00	#18
Rebourne Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 321	Well if you want to keep them around, buy their products.