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CardJoe · 14th Dec 2007, 13:25

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/12...uch_less_ram/1

KDE 4 will use far less memory and will run its "Aero" equivalent on older hardware than you'd expect. Another excuse to switch to away from Microsoft?

chrisb2e9 · 14th Dec 2007, 13:42

while i'm glad to see that this system is getting better milage, it brings up one reason why I haven't bothered trying linux, what the heck is KDE and how is it different from the other programs out there.

proxess · 14th Dec 2007, 13:52

KDE is a window manager and desktop manager. Like Gnome, xfce, e10, e11, open/black/flux-box and the likes. Think of it as your explorer.exe, but seperating the taskbar from window managing from compositing from filemanager etc (meaning, more foolproof).

I honestly don't like KDE and KDE 4 just looks like a mix between gnome and aero *grabs shield and pitchfork*, but its good to know its optimized. Kubuntu 8.04 will probably use it? Lets hope so!

Glider · 14th Dec 2007, 14:33

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Originally Posted by chrisb2e9

while i'm glad to see that this system is getting better milage, it brings up one reason why I haven't bothered trying linux, what the heck is KDE and how is it different from the other programs out there.

That's what Linux is about, choice and freedom... But with that also comes that you can choose from a lot of different things...

OT, still, Fluxbox rules!

zerolock · 14th Dec 2007, 14:50

this does it.. next time I have to fork my setup I'll switch to linux

C-Sniper · 14th Dec 2007, 16:27

well i am quite content with XFCE11 and Blackbox/Fluxbox Although i wouldn't mind trying this out.

chrisb2e9 · 14th Dec 2007, 17:01

let me see if i understand this then, linux is kind of like the base operating system, and then things like kde are the interface that we use?
sort of like how dos had dosshell if you didn't want to use the simple text interface?

Glider · 14th Dec 2007, 17:18

Linux is even lower then that... Linux is the kernel... The thing between the hardware and the software, that handles the devices and such...

On top of that system utilities are built, and above that user interfaces (like CLI). KDE is a graphical desktop environment. You can best compare it to the think you look when you are looking at your wallpaper in Windows... The start menu, the icons,... (and a lot more), that's KDE

Well, KDE is one of the many desktop environments/Window managers (gnome/metacity, xfce, fluxbox, busybox,... are others)

Da Dego · 14th Dec 2007, 17:20

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Originally Posted by chrisb2e9

let me see if i understand this then, linux is kind of like the base operating system, and then things like kde are the interface that we use?
sort of like how dos had dosshell if you didn't want to use the simple text interface?

Pretty much, yeah. But think about it as having a fully functional DOS, and then having a more stable, more secure, much better performing version of Windows Vista.

Linux at its core is a command line operating system, just like DOS - but the GUIs you can add to it are MUCH more full featured than anything that DOS used to have. They're like running a full-on Windows machine (albeit faster, more stable, and MUCH more extensible).

The great thing about Linux is that anything you can do in the command line, you can usually do in the window managers. And everything you can do in the windows managers, you can do in the command line - the two are completely complimentary, unlike DOS and Windows, where one always wanted to steal control from the other.

Shielder · 14th Dec 2007, 17:27

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Pretty much, yeah. But think about it as having a fully functional DOS, and then having a more stable, more secure, much better performing version of Windows Vista.

That has cost you a new keyboard! Well said Dego!

Andy

plagio · 14th Dec 2007, 17:28

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Originally Posted by chrisb2e9

let me see if i understand this then, linux is kind of like the base operating system, and then things like kde are the interface that we use?
sort of like how dos had dosshell if you didn't want to use the simple text interface?

As a matter of fact, what a lot of people think is "linux", turns out to be only kde/gnome.

cpemma · 14th Dec 2007, 19:04

What's the point of having all that cheap RAM just sat there doing nothing?

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Phil Rhodes · 14th Dec 2007, 19:22

This is actually symptomatic of one of the biggest problems in Linux - they're chasing the look and feel of Windows, which to many people isn't even a plus point, which distracts from work towards solutions to any of the problems endemic to the platform.

Nobody is doing any big-picture thinking on Linux. In some ways, that's down to the way opensource software works, and I believe that until we see more community acceptance of commercial software releases this won't be fixed. In many ways, though, it's because there's simply a refusal to accept that many of the problems exist. Making prettier desktops that run in 2K of memory doesn't help. I don't want the desktop to be pretty, and even if I did, RAM is so cheap I really couldn't give two hoots.

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notatoad · 14th Dec 2007, 19:41

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Originally Posted by cpemma

What's the point of having all that cheap RAM just sat there doing nothing?

so that when you run something that does need it, you don't have crap clogging it up.

mezz · 14th Dec 2007, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes

This is actually symptomatic of one of the biggest problems in Linux - they're chasing the look and feel of Windows, which to many people isn't even a plus point,

Huh? How is using 40% less memory chasing the look and feel of Windows?

Also with the changes of KDE 4, KDE now looks less like Windows than KDE 3 did, it now looks a hell of a lot better than windows. KDE 4's new look "Oxygen" has a very different feel to Aero, IMHO it strikes a wonderful balance between being clean and clear, and also looking fancy and sophisticated.

Yeah, KDE does have many simmilarities to the windows look and feel, but it wouldn't help anyone for it to be completely strange and alienating to new users. What KDE does so well is being accessible to anyone who's used a GUI before, and at the same time cater to the enthusiast crowd by being very flexible, so you can make it look exactly as you want.

dyzophoria · 14th Dec 2007, 21:36

linux is great in a lot of ways, but it fails in one point, major developers (both productivity & games) are still in windows

, I think rather than pushing linux to be greater than what it is, alot should be done to convince major developers to shift to it,for example give me a native photoshop install on linux-me loves you big time (and come on linux people stop telling me to shift to gimp

)

Hamish · 14th Dec 2007, 23:33

are there any decent screenshots of KDE4 yet, last i looked there were about 5 that some tit had taken at like 800x600 and you couldn't see anything

Glider · 15th Dec 2007, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Hamish

are there any decent screenshots of KDE4 yet, last i looked there were about 5 that some tit had taken at like 800x600 and you couldn't see anything

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ndidate-2.html

Woodstock · 15th Dec 2007, 00:38

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Originally Posted by dyzophoria

linux is great in a lot of ways, but it fails in one point, major developers (both productivity & games) are still in windows

, I think rather than pushing linux to be greater than what it is, alot should be done to convince major developers to shift to it,for example give me a native photoshop install on linux-me loves you big time (and come on linux people stop telling me to shift to gimp

)

and the problem there is that the devlopers dont see that theres enough people on linux to bother with a linux version and that stops people like you wanting to use linux, so it comes down to the age old question "what came first the chicken or the egg"

DXR_13KE · 15th Dec 2007, 02:26

using less ram means i can install this on a craptastic pc and still make it look nice.......

14th Dec 2007, 13:25	#1
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14th Dec 2007, 13:52	#3
proxess Victim of AdvancedModernCapitalism Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The town of Love, Funchal Posts: 597	KDE is a window manager and desktop manager. Like Gnome, xfce, e10, e11, open/black/flux-box and the likes. Think of it as your explorer.exe, but seperating the taskbar from window managing from compositing from filemanager etc (meaning, more foolproof). I honestly don't like KDE and KDE 4 just looks like a mix between gnome and aero grabs shield and pitchfork, but its good to know its optimized. Kubuntu 8.04 will probably use it? Lets hope so! __________________ Netbook: Asus eeePC 901; 12Gb SDD; Custom Ubuntu 9.04 Minimal Compiz Standalone. Laptop: Intel Centrino Duo T5500 1.66ghz; 2048mb RAM; ATI Mobility Radeon x2300; Hitachi 120gb iPod Classic 120GB; Maxtor 160GB External; Ubuntu 9.10 x64 and Windows 7 x64.

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Glider /dev/null Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 4,102	Linux is even lower then that... Linux is the kernel... The thing between the hardware and the software, that handles the devices and such... On top of that system utilities are built, and above that user interfaces (like CLI). KDE is a graphical desktop environment. You can best compare it to the think you look when you are looking at your wallpaper in Windows... The start menu, the icons,... (and a lot more), that's KDE Well, KDE is one of the many desktop environments/Window managers (gnome/metacity, xfce, fluxbox, busybox,... are others) __________________ There Are 10 Types Of People, Those Who Know Binary and Those Who Don't

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dyzophoria Multimodder Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home Posts: 160	linux is great in a lot of ways, but it fails in one point, major developers (both productivity & games) are still in windows , I think rather than pushing linux to be greater than what it is, alot should be done to convince major developers to shift to it,for example give me a native photoshop install on linux-me loves you big time (and come on linux people stop telling me to shift to gimp ) __________________ [FONT=Lucida Console]picture this..[/FONT] // [FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Fixedsys]picture that..[/FONT][/FONT]

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zerolock Minimodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Coldness of Finland Posts: 33	this does it.. next time I have to fork my setup I'll switch to linux

14th Dec 2007, 17:01	#7
chrisb2e9 Dont do that... Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,068	let me see if i understand this then, linux is kind of like the base operating system, and then things like kde are the interface that we use? sort of like how dos had dosshell if you didn't want to use the simple text interface?

14th Dec 2007, 19:22	#13
Phil Rhodes Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 574	This is actually symptomatic of one of the biggest problems in Linux - they're chasing the look and feel of Windows, which to many people isn't even a plus point, which distracts from work towards solutions to any of the problems endemic to the platform. Nobody is doing any big-picture thinking on Linux. In some ways, that's down to the way opensource software works, and I believe that until we see more community acceptance of commercial software releases this won't be fixed. In many ways, though, it's because there's simply a refusal to accept that many of the problems exist. Making prettier desktops that run in 2K of memory doesn't help. I don't want the desktop to be pretty, and even if I did, RAM is so cheap I really couldn't give two hoots. P

14th Dec 2007, 23:33	#17
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	are there any decent screenshots of KDE4 yet, last i looked there were about 5 that some tit had taken at like 800x600 and you couldn't see anything

15th Dec 2007, 02:26	#20
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,461	using less ram means i can install this on a craptastic pc and still make it look nice....... __________________ *Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK!