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CardJoe · 17th Dec 2007, 12:59

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/12..._2gb_per_sec/1

The IEEE 1394 Trade Association has announced an updated version of the Firewire standard, known as Firewire S3200.

Zurechial · 17th Dec 2007, 13:43

Just plain awesome.

Especially with competition between Firewire and USB, the consumer wins again!

I wish they'd make Firewire S3200 100% hot-pluggable though..
A few of the Firewire-based devices I have came with warning cards directing me to never connect or disconnect firewire devices while either of the devices is powered on, due to risk of sparking and destruction of connected devices.
This makes it a pain in the ass to switch my M-Audio Firewire 410 Recording sound card from my Desktop system to my Laptop and vice versa.

I'm sure plenty of people hot-plug their FW devices regularly, but all the warning cards make me too scared to do it when my expensive hardware is involved..

Bauul · 17th Dec 2007, 13:47

Pah, who needs upgrades? I transfer all my data manually using 3.5" Floppies and that works perfectly well!

steveo_mcg · 17th Dec 2007, 14:21

Is this not faster than the hard disk could cope with?

Bionic-Blob · 17th Dec 2007, 14:40

whats wrong with eSATA?

amk21 · 17th Dec 2007, 16:17

Who said that there is anything wrong with eSATA?
Looking forward to multi-gigabit speeds to your external storage, or will you be sticking with USB? Perhaps you're already enjoying blazing speeds via eSATA?

specofdust · 17th Dec 2007, 16:42

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Originally Posted by steveo_mcg

Is this not faster than the hard disk could cope with?

3200Mbits per second, so 400MB/s, so realisticly (going on past firewire performance) about 350MB/s tops. Beyond what a single hard disk will do today, but you already get external RAID 0 arrays that are floating about as external hard disks - those can probably manage in the region of 150-180MB/s, and with SSD's taking off and in theory being able to be a fair bit fast this should give plenty of room for the future. And afterall, who can complain that their interface is faster than it needs to be?

Personally, I'm sick and tired of USB with it's high CPU usage, its rubbish sustained speeds, it's inability to claim a specific volume of bandwidth for a device (for guarenteeing realtime playback) and it's general crappyness in comparison to firewire. So I hope that this new firewire standard gets much more integrated and used by everyone, not less so.

Firewire has been deserving to take the crown as the bus standard for years, and although I honestly don't expect it, I really do hope that this can help it at least be put on equal footing with USB, and maybe even supplant it as the univeral bus.

DXR_13KE · 17th Dec 2007, 20:11

i would very much like to see this being used for communication between 2 pcs....

specofdust · 17th Dec 2007, 20:23

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE

i would very much like to see this being used for communication between 2 pcs....

Chances are it can be, all other firewire specs so far have had the capacity to be used as ad-hoc LAN cables. Should provide significant speed increases over gigabit too, although most people won't notice them, and the limiting factor that it's point to point would probably put off most people.

mrplow · 17th Dec 2007, 20:32

I don't think firewire will ever win... USB is far too well seated now to be toppled from it's perch, unless USB3 completely fails to appear which is pretty unlikely.

Firewire always seemed the cleverer approach, but how often do those fail to win over some well marketed sub-standard alternative?

jkeyser14 · 17th Dec 2007, 20:35

That's nice and all, but pretty much worthless with today's current hard drives... Maybe in a few years when people start RAIDing SSD's.

MrWillyWonka · 17th Dec 2007, 21:00

LAN networking is feasible with this technology with reported distances of over 100m (unlike the original IEEE 1394 specificiation with just 4.5m), whether the backbone will support it is another question. Providing internal hdds can get to the firewire port fast enough we could see nice transfer time between pc's, not just between an external drive and pc.

As said, USB is far too standardised for firewire to become mainstream quickly but who knows.

OleJ · 17th Dec 2007, 21:08

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Originally Posted by Bauul

Pah, who needs upgrades? I transfer all my data manually using 3.5" Floppies and that works perfectly well!

Whoa there man of the future! Some of us still enjoy our punch card archives of contemporary music. And young'uns nowadays claim that they can store large amounts of data. Hah! I'll show you large amounts of data. Lemme just find you a song for my dance organ and you shall see!

specofdust · 17th Dec 2007, 21:11

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Originally Posted by mrplow

Firewire always seemed the cleverer approach, but how often do those fail to win over some well marketed sub-standard alternative?

Sad, and true

HourBeforeDawn · 17th Dec 2007, 22:22

well isnt USB 3.0 suppose to be just as fast, I think it was at least 3gbps?

DeX · 17th Dec 2007, 22:38

So what exactly has changed since the days when they were speccing out USB 1? I don't get why they didn't just make USB or Firewire 1 3Gb/s to begin with?

Mister_Tad · 17th Dec 2007, 23:34

Are you serious?
The same reason we didn't have gigabit networking in the 80s

leexgx · 18th Dec 2007, 00:06

firewire never taken off due to you had to pay for it (the company's did any way) USB been around from windows 95 (my amd k5 120mhz, motherboard had an USB header just did not have the cable for it)

USB performace sucks and uses lots of CPU (cheap software USB chips, very rare to see hardware USB) only works with winME (crashme) or newer (natively)
Firewire i think has worked from windows 95 probly not tho, it worked on windows98 with out extra drivers for most devices
firewire is an hardware device never been software connection

HourBeforeDawn · 18th Dec 2007, 00:08

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Originally Posted by Mister_Tad

Are you serious?
The same reason we didn't have gigabit networking in the 80s

be nice lol he may not have been even born yet in that time lol

Cabe · 18th Dec 2007, 00:51

I still want wireless firewire....mmmm camery...

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Zurechial Elitist Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 878	Just plain awesome. Especially with competition between Firewire and USB, the consumer wins again! I wish they'd make Firewire S3200 100% hot-pluggable though.. A few of the Firewire-based devices I have came with warning cards directing me to never connect or disconnect firewire devices while either of the devices is powered on, due to risk of sparking and destruction of connected devices. This makes it a pain in the ass to switch my M-Audio Firewire 410 Recording sound card from my Desktop system to my Laptop and vice versa. I'm sure plenty of people hot-plug their FW devices regularly, but all the warning cards make me too scared to do it when my expensive hardware is involved.. __________________ www.valyr.net Core i7 920 @ 4GHz <-> 8800GTS 512 @ 785/1946/1990 <-> GA-EX58-UD5 <-> 3GB Dominator 1600 <-> Xonar D1

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mrplow obey the fist!! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London Posts: 2,411	I don't think firewire will ever win... USB is far too well seated now to be toppled from it's perch, unless USB3 completely fails to appear which is pretty unlikely. Firewire always seemed the cleverer approach, but how often do those fail to win over some well marketed sub-standard alternative? __________________ Big, half-finished, parts hanging out computer ATCS 210; MSI mATX; AMD 4000+; HD4770; 3GB DDR400; 2x120GB + 2x1TB; 19" HANNS-G

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