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Bindibadgi · 29th Dec 2007, 08:26

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...35p2_pro_xpc/1

Not everything has to be built around a huge ATX case, and Shuttle's XTC range gets another revision to include yet more features: Oasis cooling, solid aluminium capacitors our favourite P35 chipset to make a potential teeny performance monster.

Sleepstreamer · 29th Dec 2007, 10:25

Awesome review, looks like a very nice piece of kit apart from the crappy fingerprint reader.

Aterius Gmork · 29th Dec 2007, 15:33

"Four DDR2 DIMM slots supporting up to DDR2-800MHz memory"

??? Missing an "8Gb" there, don't you?

yodasarmpit · 29th Dec 2007, 16:25

I can honestly say I won't be buying another Shuttle, unless it's being used as a server.
My old Shuttle is sitting under my desk running as a file server right now, with an old Mobile XP2500 under-clocked to 800MHZ, that's the only way it will run quiet enough to have in the same room as me.
When I used to run it as my main machine it never had the shell on, doing so let it build up too much heat and the fan would have to run at full speed.

Shuttle's look great, but due to their design you can't have it sitting on the desk next to you, which sort of defeats the purpose.

Bindibadgi · 29th Dec 2007, 17:59

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Originally Posted by yodasarmpit

I can honestly say I won't be buying another Shuttle, unless it's being used as a server.
My old Shuttle is sitting under my desk running as a file server right now, with an old Mobile XP2500 under-clocked to 800MHZ, that's the only way it will run quiet enough to have in the same room as me.
When I used to run it as my main machine it never had the shell on, doing so let it build up too much heat and the fan would have to run at full speed.

Shuttle's look great, but due to their design you can't have it sitting on the desk next to you, which sort of defeats the purpose.

I completely agree. Doing very little it's quiet as a mouse but I just couldn't use one without having headphones on if I was gaming or it was encoding - the small fans are just too noisy. I'm reviewing another one for a HTPC at the mo and again I'm finding the same problem

It's usually why people end up going back to ATX, but having said that, Shuttle have put a lot of effort into it.

spazmochad · 29th Dec 2007, 18:17

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Originally Posted by yodasarmpit

I can honestly say I won't be buying another Shuttle, unless it's being used as a server.
My old Shuttle is sitting under my desk running as a file server right now, with an old Mobile XP2500 under-clocked to 800MHZ, that's the only way it will run quiet enough to have in the same room as me.
When I used to run it as my main machine it never had the shell on, doing so let it build up too much heat and the fan would have to run at full speed.

Shuttle's look great, but due to their design you can't have it sitting on the desk next to you, which sort of defeats the purpose.

I used to have a socket A SN45G. Excellent machine, the noise your talking about is from the single rear sunon 80mm fan which was easy to change. I fitted a noiseblocker 120mm fan on the outside of the case with an adaptor, proberbly cost me £15 with a decent fan but the machine was silent after that. The heatpipe design was quite an innovation back in the day. Nice PSU size now, I had to buy a new one for the upgrade to a 6800gt.

Bindibadgi · 29th Dec 2007, 18:22

That's the G chassis, and I used to have an SN45 as well. In the P2 there's two 80s, a 92, and two 60s that all constantly whir up and down - you can mod the G's, like you say, but it's not a perfect solution but something that Shuttle should look at imo.

Arkanrais · 29th Dec 2007, 19:25

great review. I personally prefer giant cases with plenty of room to fit the few bits of hardware I have wherever I think would be easiest to get at. I would love to build a desk with a glass top with a system all kitted out on display in it, but alas I have no money, dremel, materials or any skill to pull something like that off (unless you count hacksawing the chassis of a case while yelling profanity skill).

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Crysis at 1280x800 with High-to-Very High in-game settings is surprisingly playable

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Crysis (1280x1024 0AA 0AF High Detail Average FPS)

force of habit on the 1024?

dmak · 29th Dec 2007, 20:14

I have been tempted to get one of these shuttles a few times, but more likely I would go for a sugo or something like that fmor silverstone. I like the form factor cases, and in some cases (such as the sugo) you can work an entire ATX moard into the microATX case. Cooling can be loud, but with water cooling etc, you can bring that down.

yodasarmpit · 29th Dec 2007, 20:23

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Originally Posted by spazmochad

I used to have a socket A SN45G. Excellent machine, the noise your talking about is from the single rear sunon 80mm fan which was easy to change. I fitted a noiseblocker 120mm fan on the outside of the case with an adaptor, proberbly cost me £15 with a decent fan but the machine was silent after that. The heatpipe design was quite an innovation back in the day. Nice PSU size now, I had to buy a new one for the upgrade to a 6800gt.

I was always going to get the 80 - 120mm adapter, but never got round to it.
It wasn't just the 80mm though, the small fan in the PSU and because of space limitations you couldn't fit a graphics card with silent fan, so that made a whiny noise too.
I tried a passive cooled GFX card but with the shell on it got too hot causing crashes or artifacts, so again I had to run the Shuttle shell-less.

In the end it was relegated to become a file server and I reverted back to ATX.

Tomm · 29th Dec 2007, 20:43

I've got a SN85G4 and I'm 50:50 on whether I get another one again, mainly because of the noise issue. For a bedroom or study, probably not. Probably not for a media centre, either - damn thing's just a bit too noisy (that's with a 120mm fan + adapter btw). BUT I really like the concept and the build quality - there are no other real problems with it for me besides the noise (Actually mine only has 2 rear USB which is annoying but this new version has much improved that).

Yoda - apparently Shuttle say that air flow is better with the case on. Certainly from what I found, cooling was no worse with the case on than off.

Mankz · 29th Dec 2007, 20:55

I'd be tempted by this if all of the fans were a set diameter, like 80mm's or 92mm's and also, Im not really willing to pay Â£300 for something when I can get a decent case, high end PSU and good Mobo for the same or less, with much more upgrade potential.

Bindibadgi · 29th Dec 2007, 21:06

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Originally Posted by Arkanrais

great review. I personally prefer giant cases with plenty of room to fit the few bits of hardware I have wherever I think would be easiest to get at. I would love to build a desk with a glass top with a system all kitted out on display in it, but alas I have no money, dremel, materials or any skill to pull something like that off (unless you count hacksawing the chassis of a case while yelling profanity skill).

force of habit on the 1024?

To differentiate - I *played* the game at 1280x800 but tested at 1280x1024 because I thought it was a more popular resolution.

Joeymac · 29th Dec 2007, 23:03

All this talk of how loud it is, is disappointing. I was reading the review thinking it would be perfect for me at the moment. I've got to replace my old P4 and have been pricing up a new Quad core system with a 3850.. it would have saved me some trouble to have a small, well built system that I can drop the components in. But it's got to be quiet... I'll be hooking a HD DVD drive to it.
So how loud is it? If I don't overclock it (much).. what are we talking here if it's a couple of metres away? I'll not do loads of gaming. Is it louder than the xbox 360?

Bindibadgi · 29th Dec 2007, 23:06

When you load it it's comparable to a 360 - it has many levels of noise so it depends on how hot you run it, if you're running HD out of it the processing will likely make it certainly audible.

Joeymac · 29th Dec 2007, 23:28

Ok. Thanks. It's a thinker then... I'm guessing a passively cooled graphics card wouldn't necessarily quieten it down?? The heat will still be coming out via the CPU fan.. and put the internal temp up.
How is it with dust? I couldn't see any filters in the pictures.

Bindibadgi · 29th Dec 2007, 23:45

I would suggest avoid a passive card in such a confined space, plus I had an 8800 GT in it and the CPU and 60mm fans were clearly loud.

There's no filters. I've had Shuttles for years get passed down through family (my sister just recently gave up on an original SS50G) and they do get caked in dust but are quite easily cleaned out because its small and light enough to stick on your lap with a vacuum cleaner. It's only the fans and grills that need attention - the motherboard worked quite happily under 1/2" of dust.

StormPwn · 30th Dec 2007, 00:57

I've got one of these shuttles and I just wanted to say that you can fit a 8800GTX in there, I've had mine sitting in there for over two months now and while it was a bit tight to fit in there, its running great. Also about the second power plug on the card, I just used an adapter with the regular 4 pin molex cables.

Joeymac · 30th Dec 2007, 01:03

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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

I would suggest avoid a passive card in such a confined space, plus I had an 8800 GT in it and the CPU and 60mm fans were clearly loud.

There's no filters. I've had Shuttles for years get passed down through family (my sister just recently gave up on an original SS50G) and they do get caked in dust but are quite easily cleaned out because its small and light enough to stick on your lap with a vacuum cleaner. It's only the fans and grills that need attention - the motherboard worked quite happily under 1/2" of dust.

Ok, thanks for your help. I've been looking about on scan and they have the Antec Sonata 3 in stock now... I looked at this a few months back and it seems pretty good.
I've not built a computer from scratch before so choosing cases is new. My current system is a Dell (don't laugh.. in my defence it is a 400SC server with an 875p motherboard in it which I got new for £150).
So it's difficult to know what size I want and so on. Have you any experience with the Sonata's?

Bindibadgi · 30th Dec 2007, 01:41

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Originally Posted by StormPwn

I've got one of these shuttles and I just wanted to say that you can fit a 8800GTX in there, I've had mine sitting in there for over two months now and while it was a bit tight to fit in there, its running great. Also about the second power plug on the card, I just used an adapter with the regular 4 pin molex cables.

I absolutely could not fit a dual height card in without breaking something - there was literally a few millimetres of cables too much. I could have spent time unsticking things and moving stuff about but I felt, why should I? Surely Shuttle should have set things out accordingly and all the cables are finely routed too.

I would like to see the gap between the ICE unit and the GTX too - how much air does it get and how hot it must get!

Joey: I've had no experience with Sonata's, sorry.

29th Dec 2007, 08:26	#1
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,274	Shuttle SP35P2 Pro XPC http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...35p2_pro_xpc/1 Not everything has to be built around a huge ATX case, and Shuttle's XTC range gets another revision to include yet more features: Oasis cooling, solid aluminium capacitors our favourite P35 chipset to make a potential teeny performance monster. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

29th Dec 2007, 10:25	#2
Sleepstreamer Big McLargehuge Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 280	Awesome review, looks like a very nice piece of kit apart from the crappy fingerprint reader. __________________ "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if PacMan affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music." - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo 1989 FSP - AC Ryan - Matrix Orbital - ASUS - G.Skill

29th Dec 2007, 16:25	#4
yodasarmpit The other Brett. Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: West Lothian , Scotland Posts: 9,666	I can honestly say I won't be buying another Shuttle, unless it's being used as a server. My old Shuttle is sitting under my desk running as a file server right now, with an old Mobile XP2500 under-clocked to 800MHZ, that's the only way it will run quiet enough to have in the same room as me. When I used to run it as my main machine it never had the shell on, doing so let it build up too much heat and the fan would have to run at full speed. Shuttle's look great, but due to their design you can't have it sitting on the desk next to you, which sort of defeats the purpose. __________________ The Rt. Hon. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - "Ping Pong is coming home" www.yodasarmpit.com clickr my flickr

29th Dec 2007, 18:22	#7
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,274	That's the G chassis, and I used to have an SN45 as well. In the P2 there's two 80s, a 92, and two 60s that all constantly whir up and down - you can mod the G's, like you say, but it's not a perfect solution but something that Shuttle should look at imo. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

29th Dec 2007, 20:43	#11
Tomm I also ride trials :¬) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Fallowfield, Manchester Posts: 2,233	I've got a SN85G4 and I'm 50:50 on whether I get another one again, mainly because of the noise issue. For a bedroom or study, probably not. Probably not for a media centre, either - damn thing's just a bit too noisy (that's with a 120mm fan + adapter btw). BUT I really like the concept and the build quality - there are no other real problems with it for me besides the noise (Actually mine only has 2 rear USB which is annoying but this new version has much improved that). Yoda - apparently Shuttle say that air flow is better with the case on. Certainly from what I found, cooling was no worse with the case on than off. __________________ Carrot cake cheesecake Shuttle SN85G4V2 \| A64 3200+ / Apple PowerBook 12

29th Dec 2007, 15:33	#3
Aterius Gmork Look Mr. Bubbles, it's an angel! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 698	"Four DDR2 DIMM slots supporting up to DDR2-800MHz memory" ??? Missing an "8Gb" there, don't you?

29th Dec 2007, 20:14	#9
dmak Minimodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: canada Posts: 32	I have been tempted to get one of these shuttles a few times, but more likely I would go for a sugo or something like that fmor silverstone. I like the form factor cases, and in some cases (such as the sugo) you can work an entire ATX moard into the microATX case. Cooling can be loud, but with water cooling etc, you can bring that down.

29th Dec 2007, 23:03	#14
Joeymac Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 221	All this talk of how loud it is, is disappointing. I was reading the review thinking it would be perfect for me at the moment. I've got to replace my old P4 and have been pricing up a new Quad core system with a 3850.. it would have saved me some trouble to have a small, well built system that I can drop the components in. But it's got to be quiet... I'll be hooking a HD DVD drive to it. So how loud is it? If I don't overclock it (much).. what are we talking here if it's a couple of metres away? I'll not do loads of gaming. Is it louder than the xbox 360?

29th Dec 2007, 23:06	#15
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,274	When you load it it's comparable to a 360 - it has many levels of noise so it depends on how hot you run it, if you're running HD out of it the processing will likely make it certainly audible. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

29th Dec 2007, 23:28	#16
Joeymac Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 221	Ok. Thanks. It's a thinker then... I'm guessing a passively cooled graphics card wouldn't necessarily quieten it down?? The heat will still be coming out via the CPU fan.. and put the internal temp up. How is it with dust? I couldn't see any filters in the pictures.

29th Dec 2007, 23:45	#17
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,274	I would suggest avoid a passive card in such a confined space, plus I had an 8800 GT in it and the CPU and 60mm fans were clearly loud. There's no filters. I've had Shuttles for years get passed down through family (my sister just recently gave up on an original SS50G) and they do get caked in dust but are quite easily cleaned out because its small and light enough to stick on your lap with a vacuum cleaner. It's only the fans and grills that need attention - the motherboard worked quite happily under 1/2" of dust. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

30th Dec 2007, 00:57	#18
StormPwn What's a Dremel? Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4	I've got one of these shuttles and I just wanted to say that you can fit a 8800GTX in there, I've had mine sitting in there for over two months now and while it was a bit tight to fit in there, its running great. Also about the second power plug on the card, I just used an adapter with the regular 4 pin molex cables.