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CardJoe · 15th Jan 2008, 13:18

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/01...d_to_save_xp/1

InfoWorld has launched a petition in an attempt to convince Microsoft not to cease selling copies of Windows XP in June 2008. A laudable goal, or should the old OS be put out to pasture?

will. · 15th Jan 2008, 13:29

I seem to be one of the few who had nothing but trouble with XP and upon the switch to Vista found it all plain sailing. So... I say kill it! Kill it with sticks!

cjoyce1980 · 15th Jan 2008, 13:30

unless vista with SP1 can prove to be just as good as XP with SP3, then XP should stay just a little longer

djDEATH · 15th Jan 2008, 13:36

lol, yup, you do seem to be the only one.

I myself had vista installed on my system from the day i bought it. Being primarily a gaming machine, i found the extra 5-10% or so FPS i was getting under XP worth sticking with it. For general productivity, and ease of use, i really like Vista's approach. Integrated search and the fact that window composition and overall display is using my graphics card more is making the expenditure of a high end GPU all the more worthwhile, but as mentioned above:

"many of the bottom-end PCs sold by retailers such as Dell and HP just don't have the grunt to make Vista a viable option without adding additional memory and bumping the price away from the headline-grabbing loss-leader offers we see so often."

which is why this machine will remain XP only for now, and Vista wil have to wait until my new machine is built towards the end of the year.

chrisb2e9 · 15th Jan 2008, 13:37

I know that I wil go vista at some point, but that wont happen till I am forced to for some reason. Xp works as it is, I dont see a reason to kill it just yet. Some people simply cant afford a pc that will run vista.

Mother-Goose · 15th Jan 2008, 13:48

it should have been killed off years ago, Vista is much better imo. And once it's the norm, there will be loads more stuff for it as well

p3n · 15th Jan 2008, 13:50

Richard branson should buy 5 million copies of xp then sell em off for double!

FIBRE+ · 15th Jan 2008, 13:52

I've never had any issues with it, and i'm quite happy to stick with it for a while longer.

I can't see *that* many educational establishments or businesses doing the switch to Vista any time soon, most will only upgrade OS when included with new machines (well that's basically how it worked in my old IT job). It's just easier to keep everything the same, you don't want multiple operatating systems etc, especially if you have hundreds of machines to look after.

Well unless you have big budgets and a decent size IT department.

Gordy · 15th Jan 2008, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother-Goose

it should have been killed off years ago, Vista is much better imo. And once it's the norm, there will be loads more stuff for it as well

Vista is plainly terrible. I have to troubleshoot problems on windows machines from 95-vista and vista is by far and wide the worst of the lot. Its networking setup is a utter joke as is its speed. I've yet to see a single good reason why xp is worse than vista.

steveo_mcg · 15th Jan 2008, 13:55

They are taking it off sale, not stopping support. If you really like XP put your money where your mouth is and buy a full retail version then you can keep using till the next version of windows comes out where you can start complaining about its huge over head. Personally i'll stick with my oem xp for my gaming rig until it comes round to upgrades then get an oem Vista. I just can't seem to build up and feelings for windows one way or the other, its just a place to launch my games from.

AlexB · 15th Jan 2008, 14:20

Kill it - Vista is more clunky, but does more, and seems more stable. Been using it (Ultimate 64) since it's first release, and its good as gold.

fargo · 15th Jan 2008, 14:32

xp with sp3 will do just fine for me why go to the expense of vista and its problems when in a couple
of yrs a new os will likely be on the market and vista will be nothing but a distant memory.

wolff000 · 15th Jan 2008, 14:33

They can petition all they like but MS is going to drop it. You could collect billions of signatures and it wouldn't make a difference. They have spent to much money on Vista to keep selling XP. I personally prefer XP and will continue to use it for quite a few years. I am not worried about upgrading since I no loonger have time to game anymore anyway. I just use my 360 for the rare times I have an extra hour. Vista might hit my new box when I build it at the end of this year. Until then it remains on the test box that can only run it with all the fancy gui stuff turned off.

sandys · 15th Jan 2008, 14:37

kill off XP and all 32 bit versions of Vista, lets look to the future eh!

Drexial · 15th Jan 2008, 14:39

The one problem i find with Vista isn't in its reliability, it's in its layout. I know that 13 year ago when 95 came out the concept of going to start to shut down was confusing.... *Bangs head against wall* But I'm fairly certain that it has been accepted as the norm now. So they go and change that. for the display before, I right clicked and went to Properties... what was so hard about that? do there really need to be 15 sub menus now when I do that? they took something simple that everyone had grown accustomed to and changed it.

I think i figured out why. Cause when the idea for the new OS started, right around the time XP was released, these were complaints from ME previous that were posted. But since then there is an XP machine in just about every home now, so people have grown accustomed to the layout from before and now they change it based on feedback from 6 years ago and older.

jswilson64 · 15th Jan 2008, 14:58

If they don't want to make any more money selling XP, why not release the source code?

Firehed · 15th Jan 2008, 14:59

It definitely won't be extended indefinitely, and for good reason. All things considered, I think June '08 is a reasonable timeframe. While I don't really like Vista a whole lot, I still generally prefer it to XP. There are some issues that need to be sorted out, but that's true of XP too. Its the usability improvements (all of the stuff 'stolen' from OS X, frankly) that make me prefer it - and while people might think that the little wooshing glow behind the address bar in Explorer is useless eye candy, actual designers will tell you it's a big improvement on following interface guidelines so that the user knows the program hasn't locked up and is just working really slowly when everything would have otherwise appeared to be stopped.

But people really should go spend the $70 or so on 4GB of RAM. Not that it needs it (omg it uses more RAM! Well I should hope so, that's why I got more), but because it's so damn cheap right now that there's no reason not to do it.

sub routine · 15th Jan 2008, 15:00

Petition should be for Microsoft to realease an o/s thats worth it`s money from day 1.

Fact is nearly the entire population of the world will be run by M/ S at some point in the future, not the most encouraging idea for the rest of all humanity but thats the way it is.
I have Vista and it`s a bit crashy crashy, it shouldn`t be hit and miss when you buy a product and if you pay full value for it you shouldn`t be bug testing the bloody thing for the next 2 years to get it to gold disc quality. I like the idea of vista and the visual frippery that makes it up.

So should Xp be discontinued? Yes the sooner it`s stopped and more and more people start getting used as guinea pigs the sooner my disc will be worth the money I paid for it.

naokaji · 15th Jan 2008, 15:02

sure vista does have issues, like too many sku's, i mean seriously, what did they smoke when they created so many versions of it?
and yep, some companies did a really bad job with the drivers (creative to just name one here).
but in the end vista is the future, xp is like agp, it should die, but prolly wont.

FuzzyOne · 15th Jan 2008, 15:13

I used vista for all of 3 weeks, back with XP and happy as a pig in ****

15th Jan 2008, 13:18	#1
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15th Jan 2008, 13:37	#5
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15th Jan 2008, 13:30	#3
cjoyce1980 Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 343	unless vista with SP1 can prove to be just as good as XP with SP3, then XP should stay just a little longer

15th Jan 2008, 13:50	#7
p3n Hypermodder Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 731	Richard branson should buy 5 million copies of xp then sell em off for double!

15th Jan 2008, 13:52	#8
FIBRE+ Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 1,306	I've never had any issues with it, and i'm quite happy to stick with it for a while longer. I can't see that many educational establishments or businesses doing the switch to Vista any time soon, most will only upgrade OS when included with new machines (well that's basically how it worked in my old IT job). It's just easier to keep everything the same, you don't want multiple operatating systems etc, especially if you have hundreds of machines to look after. Well unless you have big budgets and a decent size IT department. __________________ ++ASUS SLI Premium \| X2 3800 @ 2.6ghz \| XP-120 \| 2GB Mushkin \| 8800 GT \| XFI Music \| Seagate 320GB \ Samsung F1 1TB \| 520W Corsair HX \| 23" Dell S2309W ++ ++Zotac 9300 Mini ITX \| Intel E5200 \| Scythe Shuriken \| 2GB Corsair \| 8600 GTS (Passive) \| WD Black 2.5" 320GB \ Samsung F2 Eco 1TB \| Corsair VX 450W \| 42" Panasonic Viera++ ++Canon 400D \| Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 \| Canon 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 \| Sandisk Extreme III 4GB++My Ebay++

15th Jan 2008, 13:55	#10
steveo_mcg What owl? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,975	They are taking it off sale, not stopping support. If you really like XP put your money where your mouth is and buy a full retail version then you can keep using till the next version of windows comes out where you can start complaining about its huge over head. Personally i'll stick with my oem xp for my gaming rig until it comes round to upgrades then get an oem Vista. I just can't seem to build up and feelings for windows one way or the other, its just a place to launch my games from. __________________ No boom today, boom tomorrow... there's always a boom tomorrow.

15th Jan 2008, 14:20	#11
AlexB Web Nerd and WC Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hants, UK Posts: 1,305	Kill it - Vista is more clunky, but does more, and seems more stable. Been using it (Ultimate 64) since it's first release, and its good as gold. __________________ Whenever I smell asphalt, I think of Maureen. That's the last sensation I had before I blacked out; that thick smell of asphalt. She said she'd fix my bike. Free. No strings attached. I shoulda've known then that things were never that simple. Yeah, when I think of Maureen, I think of two things: Asphalt, and trouble.

15th Jan 2008, 14:32	#12
fargo Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: new york,usa Posts: 151	xp with sp3 will do just fine for me why go to the expense of vista and its problems when in a couple of yrs a new os will likely be on the market and vista will be nothing but a distant memory.

15th Jan 2008, 14:33	#13
wolff000 I am here to steal your secrets. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Never-never Land Posts: 196	They can petition all they like but MS is going to drop it. You could collect billions of signatures and it wouldn't make a difference. They have spent to much money on Vista to keep selling XP. I personally prefer XP and will continue to use it for quite a few years. I am not worried about upgrading since I no loonger have time to game anymore anyway. I just use my 360 for the rare times I have an extra hour. Vista might hit my new box when I build it at the end of this year. Until then it remains on the test box that can only run it with all the fancy gui stuff turned off. __________________ The gospel accordong to Myamoto, Chatper three, verse six..."And it is written that the gaming of man will die, and rest silent for two years. But on the eighty-fifth year of the twentieth century, it shall rise again. And its triumphant return shall be heralded by two great plumbers and thou will know gaming has been born again."

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15th Jan 2008, 14:39	#15
Drexial Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 297	The one problem i find with Vista isn't in its reliability, it's in its layout. I know that 13 year ago when 95 came out the concept of going to start to shut down was confusing.... Bangs head against wall But I'm fairly certain that it has been accepted as the norm now. So they go and change that. for the display before, I right clicked and went to Properties... what was so hard about that? do there really need to be 15 sub menus now when I do that? they took something simple that everyone had grown accustomed to and changed it. I think i figured out why. Cause when the idea for the new OS started, right around the time XP was released, these were complaints from ME previous that were posted. But since then there is an XP machine in just about every home now, so people have grown accustomed to the layout from before and now they change it based on feedback from 6 years ago and older.

15th Jan 2008, 14:58	#16
jswilson64 What's a Dremel? Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 12	If they don't want to make any more money selling XP, why not release the source code?

15th Jan 2008, 14:59	#17
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	It definitely won't be extended indefinitely, and for good reason. All things considered, I think June '08 is a reasonable timeframe. While I don't really like Vista a whole lot, I still generally prefer it to XP. There are some issues that need to be sorted out, but that's true of XP too. Its the usability improvements (all of the stuff 'stolen' from OS X, frankly) that make me prefer it - and while people might think that the little wooshing glow behind the address bar in Explorer is useless eye candy, actual designers will tell you it's a big improvement on following interface guidelines so that the user knows the program hasn't locked up and is just working really slowly when everything would have otherwise appeared to be stopped. But people really should go spend the $70 or so on 4GB of RAM. Not that it needs it (omg it uses more RAM! Well I should hope so, that's why I got more), but because it's so damn cheap right now that there's no reason not to do it. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

15th Jan 2008, 15:00	#18
sub routine Archie Gemel Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 149	Petition should be for Microsoft to realease an o/s thats worth it`s money from day 1. Fact is nearly the entire population of the world will be run by M/ S at some point in the future, not the most encouraging idea for the rest of all humanity but thats the way it is. I have Vista and it`s a bit crashy crashy, it shouldn`t be hit and miss when you buy a product and if you pay full value for it you shouldn`t be bug testing the bloody thing for the next 2 years to get it to gold disc quality. I like the idea of vista and the visual frippery that makes it up. So should Xp be discontinued? Yes the sooner it`s stopped and more and more people start getting used as guinea pigs the sooner my disc will be worth the money I paid for it.

15th Jan 2008, 15:13	#20
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