Lineage II clan fight claims life - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 21st Jan 2008, 11:08

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/01..._claims_life/1

A rivalry between two Lineage II clans in Russia has ended in tragedy, claiming a life as the fight is taken beyond the edge of reason.

Angleus · 21st Jan 2008, 11:13

That is just crazy

Glider · 21st Jan 2008, 11:15

<government mode>

Playing games leads to violence! Ban all games! Sure we have a rating system, but it's crap, just ban all games!

</government mode>

Naberius · 21st Jan 2008, 11:21

How ridiculous, but then when you see the current state of affairs in russia anyway, it doesn't seem so suprising.

But at 33, you would have thought he would have grown up enough to not take it so seriously.

CardJoe · 21st Jan 2008, 11:32

Shame really, it reflects even worse on a very beautiful country. I'm actually introducing my girlfriend to Russian cuisine this weekend - Solyenka and Borscht cheesecake

HitmanAdski · 21st Jan 2008, 11:49

I think that this is absolutely absurd it's one thing to kill someone it's another to keep threatening people who have quite frankly had enough grief over the death of family, just how sick can you be? don't these people get it?

How can a feud get so out of control for this to happen?

Jebus.exe · 21st Jan 2008, 12:00

I've felt mad a few times after playing cs against blatent cheaters, and the odd clan match rivalry. but this is not something i'd atall condone... pure insanity.

Latvietis · 21st Jan 2008, 12:04

Only in Russia.

DXR_13KE · 21st Jan 2008, 12:08

In soviet Russia...... game plays you!!!

mikeuk2004 · 21st Jan 2008, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Latvietis

Only in Russia.

?? why does this happen alot??

Redbeaver · 21st Jan 2008, 13:59

i dont get which one is sillier... this or people dying while queueing for PS3..... (or Halo3? or wutever thing that came out not too long ago and people died becoz of it. i forgot. but i remember the death.)

Nictron · 21st Jan 2008, 14:01

I hope emphasis from this does not fall onto gaming again, it can happen in any situation where you have an individual who has no rational thought, a few examples:

A class feud!

Hey that is my urinal you are using!

Rugby match with a hard tackle on a guy!

Bully stealing someones sandwich!

Is killing the individual in any of the above situations justified?

OF COURSE NO!

CardJoe · 21st Jan 2008, 14:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeuk2004

?? why does this happen alot??

Once before, with the same game, last year.

Faulk_Wulf · 21st Jan 2008, 15:39

Lineage II is a fun game, I have had a chance to play it before.
The fact that it is Russia or that it is a video game misses the point.
And it will all be lost in translation.

Just look at our own comments. "lol Russia".
Seriously. Would anyone have replied differenlty
if it had been the UK / US?

Would it have been "lol Brits" or "lol Yanks"?
(Well maybe "lol crazy Americans" *sigh*)

But my point is, the country that this happened in shouldn't matter.
The fact is there was a person (or group of individuals)
that were so far removed from reality that they killed a person (irl)
as retaliation for a kill (online).

Real life you don't lose a % of your XP and respawn in town,
and for however "duh" that is to us, it obviously wasn't to these people.

If they did this over an online game, they probably could have been
provoked by a movie, a board game, or any other immersive experience.

But that will all be lost-- It'll just be "See? This is what gaming does."

Well they can take that line and shove it because it just pisses me off.

Maybe we as a society need to catch up to the facts of life.
Technology is here, its staying barring an EMP bomb,
games are getting more and more immersive.

The solution isn't to ban all games but to help society integrate.
If we need to make facilities to help treat people that adjust a bit TOO well
to the online world and can't distinguish it from real life and its real consequences
(think "Closed Shell Syndrome from Ghost In The Shell: SAC (Season 1)" )
then --- ------ that's what needs to be done.

What these players did (irl) to that guy is sickening, disturbing,
immoral, unjustifiable, inexcusable, and just plain heinous.
I hope they rot in hell for their crime, I really do.

However we should use this (and apparently the PREVIOUS?! incident)
as a strong indication that society needs to adapt to the virtual world.
In fact the best comparison I have is: Society = RIAA and Online = Current Music Listeners.
I feel we as a society really are that far off base with how we analyze situations like this.

And I don't pretend to have much for a solution but I think we should find one. And soon.

/endrant

*clears throat*

*leaves*

rhuitron · 21st Jan 2008, 17:57

It is official..

WOW, Is in my book, is Officially Gay.

You know how I know your gay?

Because you think you have a gang, with you WOW buddys.

Fod · 21st Jan 2008, 18:07

uh... this is Lineage. now WoW.

p3n · 21st Jan 2008, 18:56

engrish rant, classic

knyghtryda · 21st Jan 2008, 21:11

sad story, but the only one to blame is the idiot that did the killing. The game could have been a football match or a bet at a bar or any other thing where there's a winner and a loser. Idiots will always find ways to do idiotic things and no amount of government intervention is gonna prevent that from happening. Now... getting back this this year's darwin awards...

Bungle · 21st Jan 2008, 21:20

Ah so this is why people are living longer. You have to kill the virtual life before the real one.

Rebourne · 21st Jan 2008, 22:33

I wonder if their clan modo is "Blood in, Blood out bitches!"...

21st Jan 2008, 11:08	#1
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	Lineage II clan fight claims life http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/01..._claims_life/1 A rivalry between two Lineage II clans in Russia has ended in tragedy, claiming a life as the fight is taken beyond the edge of reason. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

21st Jan 2008, 11:13	#2
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21st Jan 2008, 11:15	#3
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21st Jan 2008, 11:32	#5
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	Shame really, it reflects even worse on a very beautiful country. I'm actually introducing my girlfriend to Russian cuisine this weekend - Solyenka and Borscht cheesecake __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

21st Jan 2008, 12:00	#7
Jebus.exe Beta V1.0.0.1 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK - Devon Posts: 41	I've felt mad a few times after playing cs against blatent cheaters, and the odd clan match rivalry. but this is not something i'd atall condone... pure insanity. __________________ Previous system: AMD 1.6 Duron OC@2.0 stable - AN7 - Geil PC3200 512mb dual chan - FX5950 Ultra - Vapo-Li mod ( -23C ) New System: AMD 5000+ BE - MSI K9A2 CF - Team Xtreem 800mhz(2x1GB) DDR2 - ATI HD3870 Extreme - 22" LCD

21st Jan 2008, 11:21	#4
Naberius Multimodder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 193	How ridiculous, but then when you see the current state of affairs in russia anyway, it doesn't seem so suprising. But at 33, you would have thought he would have grown up enough to not take it so seriously.

21st Jan 2008, 11:49	#6
HitmanAdski Minimodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 21	I think that this is absolutely absurd it's one thing to kill someone it's another to keep threatening people who have quite frankly had enough grief over the death of family, just how sick can you be? don't these people get it? How can a feud get so out of control for this to happen?

21st Jan 2008, 12:04	#8
Latvietis What's a Dremel? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Latvia Posts: 8	Only in Russia.

21st Jan 2008, 12:08	#9
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21st Jan 2008, 13:59	#11
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21st Jan 2008, 14:01	#12
Nictron Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 98	I hope emphasis from this does not fall onto gaming again, it can happen in any situation where you have an individual who has no rational thought, a few examples: A class feud! Hey that is my urinal you are using! Rugby match with a hard tackle on a guy! Bully stealing someones sandwich! Is killing the individual in any of the above situations justified? OF COURSE NO!

21st Jan 2008, 15:39	#14
Faulk_Wulf Internet Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: USA Posts: 280	Lineage II is a fun game, I have had a chance to play it before. The fact that it is Russia or that it is a video game misses the point. And it will all be lost in translation. Just look at our own comments. "lol Russia". Seriously. Would anyone have replied differenlty if it had been the UK / US? Would it have been "lol Brits" or "lol Yanks"? (Well maybe "lol crazy Americans" sigh) But my point is, the country that this happened in shouldn't matter. The fact is there was a person (or group of individuals) that were so far removed from reality that they killed a person (irl) as retaliation for a kill (online). Real life you don't lose a % of your XP and respawn in town, and for however "duh" that is to us, it obviously wasn't to these people. If they did this over an online game, they probably could have been provoked by a movie, a board game, or any other immersive experience. But that will all be lost-- It'll just be "See? This is what gaming does." Well they can take that line and shove it because it just pisses me off. Maybe we as a society need to catch up to the facts of life. Technology is here, its staying barring an EMP bomb, games are getting more and more immersive. The solution isn't to ban all games but to help society integrate. If we need to make facilities to help treat people that adjust a bit TOO well to the online world and can't distinguish it from real life and its real consequences (think "Closed Shell Syndrome from Ghost In The Shell: SAC (Season 1)" ) then --- ------ that's what needs to be done. What these players did (irl) to that guy is sickening, disturbing, immoral, unjustifiable, inexcusable, and just plain heinous. I hope they rot in hell for their crime, I really do. However we should use this (and apparently the PREVIOUS?! incident) as a strong indication that society needs to adapt to the virtual world. In fact the best comparison I have is: Society = RIAA and Online = Current Music Listeners. I feel we as a society really are that far off base with how we analyze situations like this. And I don't pretend to have much for a solution but I think we should find one. And soon. /endrant clears throat leaves __________________ -- Faulken S. Wulf "Under the Willow, he sleeps and dreams, of Heaven." Attempting to post intelligently since the year 2000!

21st Jan 2008, 17:57	#15
rhuitron Bump? What Bump? Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Northern California, Usa Posts: 122	It is official.. WOW, Is in my book, is Officially Gay. You know how I know your gay? Because you think you have a gang, with you WOW buddys. __________________ You use an Apple?? Go play in traffic.

21st Jan 2008, 18:07	#16
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21st Jan 2008, 18:56	#17
p3n Hypermodder Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 731	engrish rant, classic

21st Jan 2008, 21:11	#18
knyghtryda Multimodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 77	sad story, but the only one to blame is the idiot that did the killing. The game could have been a football match or a bet at a bar or any other thing where there's a winner and a loser. Idiots will always find ways to do idiotic things and no amount of government intervention is gonna prevent that from happening. Now... getting back this this year's darwin awards... __________________ \| Opteron 165 @ 2.6GHz [watercooled] \| 2GB PC3200 \| BFG 8800GT @ 756/2000 [watercooled] \| Raptor 150GB + WD 1TB + Seagate 250GB + WD 250GB \|

21st Jan 2008, 21:20	#19
Bungle Rainbow Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 999	Ah so this is why people are living longer. You have to kill the virtual life before the real one. __________________ The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. " Tom Clancy

21st Jan 2008, 22:33	#20
Rebourne Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 321	I wonder if their clan modo is "Blood in, Blood out bitches!"...