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Tim S · 23rd Jan 2008, 14:32

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...470_and_3670/1

This morning, AMD announced three new additions to its Radeon HD 3000 series: the HD 3450, HD 3470 and HD 3650. We have a look over what new features these cards bring to market, and also point out what isn't quite so new.

Mankz · 23rd Jan 2008, 14:33

Wow. All those cards look small! (PCB wise)

Look like they are all gunning for HTPC or simple desktop use.

Tile · 23rd Jan 2008, 14:45

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naokaji · 23rd Jan 2008, 14:55

displayport and hdmi are still a big lie. only one of the cards pictured has one of those fancy nextgen connectors....

Tim S · 23rd Jan 2008, 14:56

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Originally Posted by naokaji

displayport and hdmi are still a big lie. only one of the cards pictured has one of those fancy nextgen connectors....

HDMI is supported through a dongle that is supplied in the box and DisplayPort is added on a per-SKU basis (because of its lack of prominence in the market at the moment) - I'm pretty sure I mentioned both in the article.

naokaji · 23rd Jan 2008, 14:59

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Originally Posted by Tim S

HDMI is supported through a dongle that is supplied in the box and DisplayPort is added on a per-SKU basis (because of its lack of prominence in the market at the moment) - I'm pretty sure I mentioned both in the article.

true,

but after all that marketing hype surrounding both connectors i was expecting a far more aggressive approach to get them implemented straight on the back of the cards.

Tim S · 23rd Jan 2008, 15:03

sure, but then what happens when someone with a DVI display wants to connect their monitor? Most people have DVI monitors, so it makes sense to keep dual DVI for the time being on the 3650 and DVI/VGA on the lower-end cards because they're taylored more to the value segment. That said, I want to see VGA disappear of these cards and be replaced by either HDMI or DisplayPort.

Lukeatluke · 23rd Jan 2008, 15:20

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Originally Posted by Tim S

sure, but then what happens when someone with a DVI display wants to connect their monitor? Most people have DVI monitors, so it makes sense to keep dual DVI for the time being on the 3650 and DVI/VGA on the lower-end cards because they're taylored more to the value segment. That said, I want to see VGA disappear of these cards and be replaced by either HDMI or DisplayPort.

VGA will disappear soon, DVItoVGA connector are available but for the fact more than 95% people are using DVI and VGA displays

p3n · 23rd Jan 2008, 15:26

95% of statistics are made up on the spot

Tyinsar · 23rd Jan 2008, 15:44

What I wanted to see was details on the 3870 X2, Tomshardware (I only check it once every couple of weeks) had an article on it and I got to page 5 (of 19) before they pulled it - the title looked promising though.

Tim S · 23rd Jan 2008, 16:00

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Originally Posted by Tyinsar

What I wanted to see was details on the 3870 X2, Tomshardware (I only check it once every couple of weeks) had an article on it and I got to page 5 (of 19) before they pulled it - the title looked promising though.

Yes - it's big and red.

Tyinsar · 23rd Jan 2008, 16:28

Cryptic eh? When might that be announced? Or would the NDA not allow you to disclose that? What does the average NDA allow & disallow? - Can you say: if you're under NDA, what you're under NDA for, when the NDA comes off, ...?

yakyb · 23rd Jan 2008, 16:38

there is a chinese review out on xtremesystems somewhere that shows it outperforms the ultra in everything bar crysis (badly optimised for xfire apparently)

naokaji · 23rd Jan 2008, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Tyinsar

Cryptic eh? When might that be announced? Or would the NDA not allow you to disclose that? What does the average NDA allow & disallow? - Can you say: if you're under NDA, what you're under NDA for, when the NDA comes off, ...?

heavily depends on the nda... some nda's even forbid you to mention the existance of the nda, while others say you can only publish preaproved info, some say only pictures no benches or whatever the marketing department of a company comes up with.

I'm pretty sure that it would be possible to have a dvi and both hdmi and displayport connector on the back of a single slot card.

completemadness · 23rd Jan 2008, 17:11

why do all the slides say "confidential"

Tim S · 23rd Jan 2008, 17:13

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Originally Posted by completemadness

why do all the slides say "confidential"

Because they were confidential until AMD removed the embargo today.

Amon · 23rd Jan 2008, 17:43

These will work nicely in laptops for sure. Great bargain, too!

wuyanxu · 23rd Jan 2008, 17:46

not sure about GDDR2 with 512MB of vRAM..........

but i want to see how well it performs for price/performance with 9600GT, i need a backup PCIe card, hoping to get a PCIe2.0 card before 9800GTX comes out, so i won't loose so much money. and pricing at £50, looks just to be the perfect card to use as i stepping stone

tk421 · 23rd Jan 2008, 18:06

that half height 3450 with hdmi really screams "make the gx280 a media server" to me ...

Naberius · 23rd Jan 2008, 19:26

I can understand the purpose of the 3450, it would make a great media centre card, but why the hell are they releasing three low end cards, its hardly like the 3850 and 3870 are top-end cards. They have absolutely nothing at the top end of the performance market.

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Naberius Multimodder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 193	I can understand the purpose of the 3450, it would make a great media centre card, but why the hell are they releasing three low end cards, its hardly like the 3850 and 3870 are top-end cards. They have absolutely nothing at the top end of the performance market.